Stuart Brereton

52 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

The quote was directed to Daniel, who was talking about 35mm film. 

 

Riiiiiight.

9 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

I personally shoot tens of thousands of feet of new film a year. My clients, shoot quite a bit as well. 

This you?

On 2/12/2021 at 1:23 AM, Tyler Purcell said:

I don't know anyone who shoots new film.... most of the film I've shot/sold over the years was all re-cans

1 hour ago, Tyler Purcell said:

Oh so you always buy new film? Come on. I haven't shot a roll of NEW still film in 20 years. 

Really, that's weird, because on 02/04 you told me I had no right to an opinion if I hadn't bought film recently. Seems you haven't either.

Then on 02/05, you claimed that you were one of the people keeping Kodak in business, but now you're saying that you shoot mostly recans and short-ends, so I guess that wasn't true either.

You contradict yourself with every other post. I guess it's hard to keep your story straight when you do so much lying and exaggeration.

2 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

Thank you, your DP pic is Florescent light on the background wall and LED or HMI at 5600 white balance camera? or is it tungsten white balanced camera with HMI in BG and tungsten on your face?

My profile pic was taken on a set which was lit with a daylight balanced kinoflo as a toplight. The camera was white balanced to 4300K so that the kino tube would appear slightly cold and blue. It's the same light on the wall as on my face.

Digitally finishing your film is going to be much more effective in dealing with fogging than a photochemical finish would be. The tools available in software like Resolve will help a lot to mitigate the worst effects. It really depends on what you regard as acceptable results.

Black & white film processing is incredibly flexible. There are many, many different developers and developing techniques, all of which can have a marked effect on the negative. That article shows what can be done with some experimentation. Unfortunately, color negative processing is much more standardized, and there is little flexibility. Robert Houllahan would know more than me about processing chemistry, so maybe he’ll chime in. I think it’s highly unlikely though that color neg can be “fixed” like that.

8 hours ago, Seth Baldwin said:

When film is decades old, will freezing even really fit the purpose for why people even freeze their film in the first place?

Chilling or freezing film is done to slow down fogging from atmospheric radiation. That’s a process that continues to happen no matter how old the film is. It’s probably fair to say that whatever damage has already been done is unlikely to get too much worse in the timescale you have for shooting it, so simply keeping it refrigerated should be fine.

8 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

I mean literally everyone I know who shoots stills, shoots on film as well as digital. Every single person. This includes people all over the world, not just the US. 

This is, of course, the way all reliable statistics are compiled...

8 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

You also can't base new film sales on anything, So the numbers coming from the factories, don't mean much. 

Yes, why on on earth would you think that film manufacturers sales figures had anything to do with how much film was being used? Crazy.

Anecdotal observations, hearsay, and unprovable statistics are always a much more compelling argument than actual facts, after all.

8 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

Got it!!..so for most of the scenerios and to make it a habit, using Gels seems more appropriate.

No. Usually when creating moonlight with an HMI you would use a tungsten white balance, as often your other, practical sources are tungsten balanced. CTB gels absorb a lot of light, so are generally not used unless necessary.

3 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

So what is the correct way?..use CTB on HMI or white balance your Digital  camera on Tungsten?

You can do it either way. If the HMI is your only light source, it might be easier to change your white balance, but if you have other light sources in shot which would also be affected by changing the white balance, you might choose to alter the color with gel instead. There is no "correct" way to do it. It just depends on the needs of the shot.

Personally, I've never had any trouble with shooting stock that was previously frozen. That doesn't mean that Robert is wrong, just that I've never had that problem. If you're worried about it, then just keep it refrigerated.

If it's a significant amount of stock, and you're planning to use it for an important project, you really should be getting it clip tested before use anyway.

5 hours ago, Seth Baldwin said:

The EXR stock at the latest was manufactured 23 years ago. Between 1989 and 1996. So it's obviously gonna be fogged by gamma by this point. Will freezing or refrigeration even matter much then. I want to keep the last breath it has alive as long as possible. Any tips to combat fogged film? I was just gonna rely on DI to try to bring contrast back to hopefully it's closest original state. Cheers.

EXR 500T was discontinued in 1995, and 200T in 1996. The other EXR stocks were available until around 2004, as was Vision 800T. How badly fogged they are will depend on how they've been stored over their lifetime. Freezing them might not make much difference at this point, but it certainly won't hurt. Usually when shooting old film, you would overexpose in order to lift your exposures above the fog level. The rule of thumb is to overexpose by one stop for each decade that the film is out of date.

2 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

Yes you are right about the Brute..I was asking something like that but bigger in size.

There are larger versions known as Maxi-Brutes or Dinos, but they have more lamps, usually 12 or 24.

2 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

Regarding color temp of HMI of different powers, are they all 5600??

Yes. They are all daylight balanced, therefore 5600K

6 minutes ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

how does in most of the Hollywood movies in night shots blue light is shown by the use of HMI...is that cz of the use of CTB? is this possible for any HMI to generate blue light without CTB?

If you shoot daylight balanced lamps with a tungsten balanced camera or film stock, they will appear cold and blue. This is basic color temperature theory.

7 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

all HMI's of different power like 4K,5K,6K,12K etc have the same temperature?

HMI lamps for motion picture use are all daylight balanced.

7 hours ago, Fiza Chughtai said:

what is the box of 6-8 solar tungsten light is called which we usually see in music videos?

I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but it sounds like it could be a lamp known as a Mini-Brute. They have 4, 6, 8, or 9 tungsten par globes in them.

Those stocks are all at least 15 or 16 years old. They are likely to have already deteriorated somewhat, particularly the Vision 800.

Freezing them won’t hurt, but you may be shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, as it were. If you do freeze them, just allow plenty of time for them acclimate back to room temperature before use.

1 hour ago, Stephen Perera said:

 Eastman Double X that absolutely reigns high and above digital BW in my opinion

As Phil points out, there are many ways to make digital B&W, and they are not all created equal. Whether digital B&W looks like film, and whether it looks good are two separate questions.

That said, the movie looks great, although a lot cleaner looking than I would have expected. Makes me wonder if there hasn't been a pass through Neat Video or similar.

On 1/10/2021 at 6:37 PM, Stephen Perera said:

notwithstanding the anti film brigade 

Who exactly are these people? I know plenty of pro-digital people, but I've never met anyone that was actually anti-film. It's not a zero sum game, after all.

The film looks great, btw.

12 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

You had said film was a niche format. I was correcting you on that. 

That nothing to do with the price of silver.

Two totally different subjects. 

You weren’t correcting anyone, you were arguing over the definition of niche, something that wouldn’t even have been necessary had you bothered to check a dictionary before you opened your mouth.

if you’d actually read the original posts in this thread before you butted in, you would know that Karim and I were talking about film in general terms. In fact, Karim mentions stills film in the second line of his original post. Later on, I specifically referenced Harman Photographic’s silver related problems with production of stills film. You would know this too, if you hadn’t been so busy trying prove what an “expert” you are on all things film related. 
 

No one likes a know it all, and that’s exactly what you are. You barged into this thread, like you have so many others, claiming expertise, claiming insider knowledge, telling anyone who disagreed with you that they could “find the exit”. All the while mouthing off like a firehose of misinformation. And now you complain that you’re being picked on, as you always do when you’re challenged. Why is it always me, you ask. Why indeed.

11 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

I mean, there are several companies that make still film. So I don't understand how stills has any relevance in a conversation about Kodak motion picture film pricing, which is the topic of this conversation. 

It was you that added stills film to the topic, along with Instant film, if I remember rightly. You evidently thought it was relevant then.

14 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

Don't you think it's worth mentioning that I've owned over 30 cameras? 

Actually, no I don't. Any fool can buy a camera.

15 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

You are the one threatening me about my comments. 

Threatening? Does being challenged make you feel threatened, Tyler? Maybe you should do less lying.

4 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

Still film and motion picture film are entire different products. You of all people should know that. I blow more 35mm film a year than you've shot stills for your entire life. Which one of us is keeping Kodak in business? Do you really think if Kodak went out of business, you'd give a rats ass? 

Also bro, don't give me the whole been shooting since you were a teenager. I was 10  years old when I started processing black and white film with my creative arts camp. We even made our own emulsion and our own box cameras. Give me a break. 

You clearly have zero expertise in the subject.

Do you have any expertise besides arguing with people on the internet about subjects you clearly know nothing about? 

Again, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 

For the purposes of this conversation, stills and motion picture film are the same thing. You specifically included stills when you made your claims about “millions” of people shooting film.

Purchasing a product does not make you knowledgeable. I know this is the basis of your own claims to expertise, but it’s simply not true. If it was true, you wouldn’t need to resort to quoting imaginary contacts at Kodak.

I mentioned my involvement with shooting film purely because you asked, not because I believe it has any relevance. Obviously, you want to turn it into a pissing contest because you’re so desperate to be right that you think listing every camera you’ve ever owned and recounting your exploits from summer camp is in some way a compelling argument for an adult to be making. That's the kind of thing that children do.

We’re all well aware that you consider yourself to be the resident expert on film. Unfortunately for you, no one here is the slightest bit interested in your bullshit, “bro”.

5 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

No, it's completely relevant. If you have no skin in the game, the only thing you're after is a debate about something you have no skin in the game about. 

I am a regular user of film. I’ve been shooting and processing 35mm and 120 since I was a teenager.

5 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

One of my friends was in sales, the other worked on the factory floor. Neither one have anything to do with the purchasing of silver. The only reason I mention them 

The only reason you mention them is to appeal to authority, even though you admit that neither of them has any expertise in this subject, and now, when further questioned, you invent some imaginary legal jeopardy as a way of weaseling out of having to provide proof. Did the dog also eat your homework?

2 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

When exactly did you personally buy a roll of motion picture film last? 

 

That's completely irrelevant.

I'll repeat my question. In what role did your "friends" work at Kodak? Presumably, you are able to answer this.

12 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

Right, right, whatever bro. You can find the nearest exit anytime you want since you have no skin in this game. 

I'm not your bro, and I'll leave when I feel like it.

3 minutes ago, Tyler Purcell said:

according to my friends who bloody worked there. 

And where exactly did your make-believe friends work at Kodak? Because unless they were involved with futures trading, their opinion is worth about the same as yours. Nothing.

6 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

Find the nearest exit and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 

I’d much rather have Robin’s contributions than your incessant lies. It should be you that finds the exit.

4 hours ago, Travis Shannon said:

Fun fact, calling grace is also exclusive to union shows and there are no California labor laws I am aware of that allow for an extra twelve minutes of work to be performed past that 6 hour mark. Does grace get called all the time on nonunion gigs? Absolutely, and you probably won’t make friends pointing that out to the first AD

I’ve had to point out numerous times in the past that there’s no such thing as Grace on a non union show, therefore the 1st AD can’t “call” it, they can only ask for it. It’s not always the most popular comment to make, but it doesn’t hurt to occasionally  remind them that you are doing them a favor by working on.

13 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said:

GD...what is wrong with the word niche?

It’s a trigger word for some people here, Daniel. It causes all kinds of incoherent rants.

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