Andries Molenaar
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1 hour ago, Jeremy Saint-Peyre said:
Thanks, i am not sure i get what it means... The pins are connected mechanically at the moment i trigger the camera ?
The manual states that the connector can control a tape recorder. In that era it means it will short/connect the terminals when the camera runs. This would be connected to a remote control 2.5mm input of a recorder. On single frame it is fairly useless. ALthough the test flash demonstrates that the camera is working properly.
The trick is now to find a recorder which takes such a control or fix two wires inside a recorder or existing remote control with a button when pushed makes it record ? -
6 minutes ago, aapo lettinen said:
A simpler option might be to hack the rec button itself on that remote controller so that you don't have to emulate the communication protocol but just need a circuit which closes the button contacts momentarily when starting or stopping. Looks ugly but way easier to make
That is what I suggest too. All this overdesigning is not going to pay back. With so many hours spent you are never going to win back over manual control.
Good luck.
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59 minutes ago, Jeremy Saint-Peyre said:
What do you mean ?
Apparently the camera has a shorting/making-switch behind the flash contact. Your intended recorder has apparently a serial protocol on its input. So you need to fabricate a circuit/controller which sends proper commands to start and stop the recorder. All from a distance so with conditions ?
Good luck and don't short any powersupplies.
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4 minutes ago, Jeremy Saint-Peyre said:
The H4n do have a remote input as there is a remote available : https://zoomcorp.com/en/gb/accessories/power-accessories/rc4/
It may be a 3.5mm, but if needed, an adapter 3.5mm to 2.5mm should do it.It is serial with a protocol, judging by the features. Design for that. Good luck.
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1 hour ago, Jeremy Saint-Peyre said:
Well, it is said in the user guide that the flash socket can be used to trigger sound recording, so it was intended in the camera engineering (here on page 28 https://www.manualslib.com/manual/553933/Canon-Zoom-Ds-8.html?page=28#manual). Also, it is true there is a single frame releases possible, the socket is clearly described as a "tape recorder starting socket" (page 3 of the manual). I think you can use it to trigger flash when you do single frame release, and there is also a special socket for "single frame release socket", it is nowhere said in the manual that you can trigger flash, i am just guessing from the socket. On my 814 XL-R there is this possibility, so i assumed it is the same on the DS-8. But it seems i was wrong.
Sounds good. Then the mission is to find a recorder with a simple remote input, if these exit. Find a cable from and old flash and connect it to the recorder using a 2.5mm or what is to be found on it.
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Good luck, simple would be to use some sort of cable like on late Super-8 camera to control a cassette recorder. Using arduino like things is not simple to most people.
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Well, if the Canon has a flash contact to flash every frame it is not intended to control a recorder. You are in for a lot thinkering.
If it were a short-contact to drive a recorder it could drive cassettes or tape recorder. It seems digital recorder don't have the same simple shorting inputs. Simplest might be to fix two parallel to the RECORD button and possibly find a place for a receiver-connector on the hill.
That might work on the simple Olympus dictaphone here. It would deliver superior audio in comparison to ancient tapes ? Possibly the more expensive one might have remote control input, intended for listening back by the typist.
Another option might be to use a portable MINI-DISC-drive. Digital and stereo -
This H4n pro doesn't list 2.5mm in the specs. Or are there other specs?
It seems this one has a 2.5mm jack for remote control:https://www.tascam.eu/en/dr-40x#specs
The CANON has a flash contact with possible lock. Popular in the 60-ies?
Best to adapt a flash cable and fix a 2.5mm jack to it.Or what another recorder might require.
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Cassette recorder were fairly common to have a 2.5mm remote inlet mini-jack. Often microphone had a 3.5 and 2.5 sife by side on one plug-assembly
Are the digital recorders with these same 2.5mm jacks? Possibly the more professional carry on recorders?
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that should/could work.
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If your loop is 50 cm it might work just like that. If it two meters you need to keep the material safe and need to guide through some rollers high up or feed it in a box to zigzag in and pull it out on the otherside.
You might also attempt to use a projector loop device like the Norismat, GePe spool and what more. There are also modern more detailed design which manage the film caringly to reduce the wear.
BTW you loop it by connecting the start to end using a splicer. -
You need to manage the loop material. Through a set of rollers or possibly in a 8mm thick box. Mind the wear on the film.
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There is a french super-8 specialist who offers them for beaulieu.
The trick is that the lens can get close to the eyepiece as if it were an eye. Pickup the image there which beams out as if coming from infinity. The focus of the bullet camera needs to be at infinity.
It seems bullet cam has changed in meaning. It is now more a type of security camera.
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Camera in small housing. A bit like a bullet (from an Elefant rifle). Round shape, lens in front, cable from the rear. Easy to clamp in a holder. It is a bit of pre gopro thing. People used them for filming from a head-band , I believe. Output analogue to go to a recorder or screen. Or now digitizer.
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14 hours ago, Roger Haney said:
I’ve seen some rods on eBay with a wedge designed specifically for Beaulieu’s.
There is a specially designed machined brick of coated aluminium which can take a 4008 and mount a pair of rods to the camera. I am not sure if it is on eBay. It cost more than most pay for their 4008 ?
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The Leicina should be too hard to fix. A nice low body and firm thread-position. The budget rod systems often enough have a small block to lift the camera (a dSLR these days) somewhat up to allow the focus to fit underneath. This works well with the Leicina. ?
The 6008 needs a wedge to make it point horizontal when on a horizontal surface (like your tripod head with a rod-set). With that it should be possible but the optical axis is fairly then. Also the grip interferes with positioning a focuser ? -
4 hours ago, Aaron Martin @ OH said:
I should have been more specific.
Is anyone aware of any shops in the States that are still doing CLAs on Nizo and later, higher end Canon Super 8 cameras?
Thanks again,
Aaron
ask super16inc before attempting anything other. Others will charge arms and legs.
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3 minutes ago, Luuk Schröder said:
I see, yes that makes sense, so the further away the matte, the sharper the edge.
What do you mean with it being tricky to get at the gate? Can't I just use cover half of the film on the opening of the cassette? Or will this scratch the film? In my mind this would produce a very sharp edge as the film itself is covered...
I am actually not sure whether I want a very sharp edge, it feels like the matte option suggested by Mark is a good mid-way solution.Cover the cartridge is difficult. The cart wil be pressed againt the gate. THere are hubs protruding. On the right-side there will be the claw advacing the film.
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Covering half the frontlens is not going to produce clean separated half-images. Mind the graphics of lightbeam through lenses from physics class. Beams hitting left or right in the frontlens still make it to both sides.
Best were to cover half the filmgate in camera. Mind that when filming the image is left-right swapped on the film. -
7 minutes ago, Harald Vonhoegen said:
ewa-marine U-BR (Website)
Even today! Although no factory stock left.
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On 3/18/2021 at 8:54 AM, Dave Stroup said:
Thank you for your thoughtful reply Bjorn!
Now sell your car when you want the work done ?
Possibly best to ship to Bernie at super16inc. He is a certified lens repair specialist. Angénieux and Schneider or what more. -
If you cannot locate a suitable housing you will have to divert to the classic EWA underwater camera system-bags ? It is remarkable how durable these are while other plastic or rubber items detoriate after so many years. It is DDR quality.
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It will be difficult to find any readymade and then be more affordable. Often enough it just gives the same metre price.
Possibly there is Ektachrome in S8 from Pro8mm but that will be limited to specialty fillers like single-8. This a extra from their attempt to revive DS-8
The film more economic you may need to turn to Fomapan 100 Reversal in DS-8 in rolls of 30 meter. THese need to be split. Giving two strands of S8 in 30 metres.
That can be used for S8 refill cartridges. Getting it processed is then another task ?
Best to DIY using a FOMA kit. But then you need a big tank.
If needed I can help with the splitting. I have a setup for that.
BTW splitting 10 metres rolls might work too. Easier to handle, less length in cartridge though. Film will fit the smaller Lomo tank which is easier to find. -
On 6/20/2020 at 3:40 AM, Jonny Porter said:
I'm curious as to what happened in the end with all this. I happened to be on another Super 8 website and Blue Cine Tech was listed as a UK processing source but the website is for something completely different.
In UK you now have Gauge film. Even with machines and such.
And considering brexit no worries about duties ?
He can use the business as he has anounced to not take any film from the continent due to customs complications in receiving and returning.
Triggering a digital audio recorder on a Canon Zoom DS-8
in Super-8
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INdeed, the physical apperance is less important ? The cameras supplies a shorting switch. It connects the terminals when running. On classic taperecorders the remote was a switch in serial with the switches in the recorder.