Andrzej Ford

seems as though im going to have to think of another way around this as this hardware is definitely out of my budget. but thanks alot!

Thanks for the input, I dont suppose if you know what type of dedicated hardware and expense/difficulty it requires to have this dedicated hardware?

Hi, for my most recent project, i was hoping to recreate live blue/green screen as seen in Science of Sleep or weather reports. http://images.pingmag.jp/images/title/gondry.jpg is a screen example of what i'd like to achieve, and i have previously worked with green screen, so i feel comfortable with the technical aspects of that. but i'm not quite sure how or where to start with live green screening. the equipment i will most likely be using is a macbook pro, canon 7d and a generic projector/monitor. thanks in advance! Andrzej

Yes definitely am going to find that Le Grice book, and i was going to ask if you had read Film Art Phenomena by Nicky Hamlyn? Also i realised wanting a "film art" magazine is stupid, because the course im moving to next year is a multidiscipline course, and im doing it because i want to be with people doing sculpture/painting even if i dont do </>. So i already knew my answer, which is. man up and buy frieze! haha, yeah i just wanted to lighten the mood of the thread! :) And right yet again, i was meant to say to Oskar Fischinger, i just mixed both these artists up!

These are the kind of responses that im very happy to have in this thread, and if i did come across as pretentious i really didn't mean to; because i really appreciate all the help from this website and respect all types of art (be they conceptual or not, professional or not). But this is a good point to make, that art is as subjective as beauty.

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Maybe i was a bit hastey with this, but i at least think you have written the most accurate description of conceptual art, but and im not sure if youre being sarcastic, but denied it to be art. maybe its not the whole broad case of art, but it's definitely the most intelligient description of conceptual art.

I think you should expect a response of similar tone when almost attacking other posters, "Monet didn't hold up a blank canvas and tell everyone that his painting was actually a deconstruction of painting that was meant to challenge the viewer's perception of paint. " - And if you think comparing a film to a painting is wrong, i think that's a pretty void opinion. And no i dont think readers of this forum havent read about certain artists, but i was just backing up my points, and everyone forgets things. "There is no such thing as 'fine art cinema'. And to bring it a step further, art that intentionally strips itself of the aesthetics and mechanics that make it art, choosing instead to confront the viewer with an intellectual challenge, is no longer art." is probably the most ridiculous sentence i've heard from someone who i thought was a learned person. And lastly i was happy that quite a few people gave their opinions on an interesting topic, however i didnt think there'd be some overly defensive people who wanted to start an arguement in this thread. Without being rude, please add your aggressive opinions somewhere else. Also i believe i mentioned countless times that i didn't mean to offend anyone; my course like almost all courses in the UK and i'd assume other countries use the title "fine art", hense why i used that term. It wasn't for any of your nonsensical "im better than you" megalomaniac idea. So please i really mean this, please can you respond to somewhere elses thread if youre going to be bitter.

This is probably the most to my point i was trying to get, 'fine art' is abit of an outdated and exclusionary term but i really didnt mean it in that way. And the idea of lack of use, derives completely from Duchampian ideas (who made movies with Man Ray) is a very valid idea, because it can be argued that the whole point of conceptual art is to express an idea, if the 'art' then has a use aswell it is almost always detracting from the idea of the piece of art. And yes alot of video art is often seen as documentation/records but then the videos of Stan Brakhage which i urge any filmmaker to watch are not the same at all, his pieces consisted of practices such as placing moth wings/leaves inbetween two sheets of clear film stock, then presenting that; or other examples are painting straight onto the film and i am pretty sure he did some work for Disney but then was soon regarded as too abstract. "Zen for Film" by Nam June Paik is also a great example of film art where he projected a completely clear film for approx 23' and his concept behind this was the whole idea/beauty behind being able to project vision then the art was also considered as evolutionary as it would change and differ with the addition of dust/dots formed on the film. And yes as i expected fine art publications are the best way to go, i was just wondering if there were any specifically focused on film, but now i realise that'd be quite negative to exclude myself from other art. You're completely right with the idea of how fine art has been used aswell, but i definitely fail to see where it excludes volumes of work within a medium? As i previously mentioned 2008 Turner Prize i think all shortlisted pieces were film, and if not the winner was a piece of film art. And i completely disagree with you saying that 'fine' results in the full potential of a medium, because some pieces of fine art do utilize and showcase this. But only if that is the related concept. Stan Brakhage's films are all about stopping the viewer from immersing themselves into another reality via the film, and are you saying his work isn't "fine"? Furthermore i'm not quite sure where you back up the idea of 'fine' work utilizing the medium to it's full potential, because would you say a Monet painting isn't 'fine'? Because his paintings are't necessarily utilzing the medium to the full potential when compared to Rembrandts paintings?

ok, i think through not be able to go to sleep having given up i may have solved it. and sadly if i read into more depth what people had previously told me i wouldnt be up at this time. i think only question i really have to ask now is, the video was filmed in - apple intermediate codec so i am taking the previous suggestions and staying native, however there isn't much help when it comes to staying native and deciding on exporting size?

ok, so it's 5am (i'm not in the best of moods). and for some reason i didn't note down how i exported my previous video. which makes me want to end it all right now, but i guess the so called silver lining is the fact i now am trying to figure out the correct way to convert rather than just the first one that worked. so i am going to ask a very idiotic and elongated question whilst providing as much information as possible. I recorded with a canon hf100, 17mbps, frame rate 50i, the raw file gives details of - 1920 x 1080 dimension - apple intermediate codec - HD (1-1-1) color profile - 2 audio channels - and then varying bit rate of 90,000 to 98,000 the camera uses interlaced film and its a consumer camera etc etc etc, so it wont be best quality. however what i want is to just keep pretty much the quality of the video that i view via final cut slug viewer, and im fine with the quality obviously downgrading slightly with the exporting process. I'm looking for hopefully the video being no larger than 800mb. However this is open to change, i just would like decent quality when viewing at 1280x720 (and yes i guess filming at 1980x1080 was a very amateur mistake, however i dont have the chance to reshoot). And i was hoping someone would be kinda enough to help me with the exact information i need to fill in within the settings/size parameters of FCP export using quicktime conversion. I know this is probably a stupid, long and precise question. but i have spent the last 4 hours googling/youtubing answers with the patethic success of finally learning how to remove mouse teeth. I think i am slowly and surely learning what each part of the video converting means, with interlacing and progressive - and the use of different codecs, however i feel like i've gone long enough with trying on my own and really need someone to help me out. sorry if any of this doesn't make sense or im repeating myself, but its 5am. and i cant sleep not knowing how to convert a video i spent so long to create. tldr: desperate need of help with filling in/understanding the correct parameters for settings/size FCP quicktime conversion with above camera settings/type.

ok cheers, yeah i'm going to go through variable testing and this time NOTE what it causes. And it doesnt help that i don't know if my film is progressive or not.

so when i go to size options in export, and the tick box option "Deinterlace source video", should i not tick it?

sorry i messed up attachments, here's the flaw

Sadly i noticed 3 mistakes when i watched "unwitnessed" again on vimeo, and i forgot to note what settings i exported the video with and i keep getting a flaw in the videos with exporting and im going to link a screen of the flaw. and some notes of settings. I think it has something to do with interlacing or not interlacing or deinterlacing or maybe fps. anyway, here they are.

brilliant, thanks again.

haha definitely, i've asked graphic designer students opinions too which improved it alot aswell. only question i have when it comes to the opacity/desaturation of logos/sponsors, is are you allowed to alter their image? And yeah i used that map because it was quick, and the invitation doesnt have to be finished for like over a month, im just putting off writing a proposal.

Ok, i think the font/grey is preference; and i'm not stunned with the font either. The interest isn't so important because we're hopefully inviting people who want to come, they're just not informed. The colour dragging your eye away from the important part is a very valid point though. Will definitely look into this. and it's going to be a second year fine art degree show, part of the cities art festival as well. But i really appreciate your comments on font and sponsors/logos taking too much precedence from the eye. maybe using opacity on those layers might work?

I will definitely keep posting here, i love the help i've been given with technical issues. And the discussion that has arose in this thread has strengthened my possibly reactions to questions in my interviews. But yes a new category/area even if its a subtext inside students or at the bottom of the list based on what you just said would be amazing.

Most likely through experience you have explained my point better than any of my attempts; and i don't question whether movies can be considered as art, because if i did i'd be questioning my own art in a very negative way. All i genuinely wanted to know is if there was another site like this that was maybe more 'art film' orientated. However because i enjoy and appreciate this site, maybe i should continue with posting work/ideas here but give a warning that my work is 'art film' and maybe explain the concept aswell.

part of private message David suggested i post in this thread to give my work more understanding and seem less stupid. Link to work is in the second quote. "I also wanted to give you my concept behind 'unwitnessed' and also mention there are 3 mistakes. Firstly there are 2 scenes where you see the mans head which aren't supposed to be there; and i **(obscenity removed)**ed up the audio. Anyway the idea is about injecting life into objects and detracting it from humans. So the objects are supposed to be invading a location currently inhabited by other objects; because the concept of invasion is a very animalistic/human thing. And the man is supposed to be losing his humanity by performing a task that has repetitive elements and following orders, similar to an object/machine. After discussing it with tutors/friends i maybe need to rethink the analogies to make the video clearer to viewers. But i still think it's interesting to say the least?"

I really liked it, I've been mulling over super8 ideas in the back of my mind for weeks now; and i love this because you're not using super8 for the sake of using super8. The super8 enhances the actual film thus making it even better in my opinion.

i know it's not film, but everyone here is creative and will definitely know more about this than me. and i want comments/reactions from any type of person, be they professionals or amateurs. -private view invitation for an art show http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rMv4p1KILVk/S1nn...at+18.00.32.png

ha, i'm 20 and want to finish my degree first i think I dont think that a film that is incomprehensible on first viewing is art, i was just mentioning it. I really don't want people to think i'm saying i know what it is, because it's like saying what is art which is a still unanswered question; they're just my opinions. and yes i know that about the clip, and i wasn't downgrading the clip, i was just using it as an example of conceptual art within moving image because that was something that some people challenged earlier in the thread. And i think you're being a bit judgemental towards me, because i'm not a film school student; im an art student. And i have seen 'The Battleship Potemkin'.

yeah, well thanks :). If you don't understand it that's fine; maybe its my fault not making it clear enough. If you want i could tell you in a PM what i want it to be about. And thanks for the other comments. Thank you, Scott. This is exactly what i'm talking about, especially i think Stan Brakhage/Dali are perfect examples; and yeah this whole thread was supposed to be about finding a site EXACTLY like this. But just more contemporary/conceptually/abstract focused, because i have found this site ridiculously useful and helpful witha lot of decisions. But i just was hoping there was a place where i could talk about concepts/theories in abstract/contemporary sense. Yeah I'm not sure if i completely agree with your Picasso analogy; however I do think it's a very valid point with learning the basics and foundations of a medium before you take it to a new level (especially if you want to be respect). And yes i think everyone on this website is an artist, i just wanted to find a similar forum based site that was really accentuated towards conceptual/contemporary and maybe abstract. And even though I haven't found the website i set out to find. This has been an interesting discussion for me and there is no doubt it'll be useful for me for my upcoming interview with a London art university. So thanks everyone!