Ed Sieb

I picked up a superb LIBEC TH-2000 Video Tripod at B&H Photo for about $575.00. It will handle up to a 33 lb camera. I use it for my Arri MB. Check out B&H Photo; they have many, many tripods at various prices.

Hey peoples looking for some advice about what would be a good tripod, to start out with I need something capable of taking the weight of my Sony EX-1, and potentially take the weight of Red 1, as I sometimes rent.

 

I have been looking at; Manfrotto 504HD,546BK 2-Stage Aluminum Tripod System.

link below:

 

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130494297365&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:IE:1123

 

 

 

 

I want something decent but not really expensive, any advice would be very helpful.

I couldn't agree more. I too have tons of standard 16MM gear - three Arris, a Beaulieu 16R, and even a K3. Don't wnat to bother getting them modified for Super 16. Still shoot with them. Yes, film is expensive, but so what?

You mention standard lenses are cheap now. I'd love to get some primes for my Arri 16M. Any suggestions on a cheap source?

For the last 4 months straight I've been shooting REG 16 for a feature I'm doing. Through out this time I've been dealing with labs, pro filmakers, rental houses, HD houses, and traditional neg cutters. What I've learned is that making a film comes down to economics. The more $$ you have, the more you can do. Also, REG 16 (the aspect format) is slowly fading into the past. The format is not used as much and is being kept alive by mainly the education world (film schools). Do worry... 16mm film will always be around.

 

The advantage of REG 16 I've learned is econonics. REG 16 lens and cameras rent out for almost nothing because everyone is interested in shooting on Super 16 or using Super 16 lens for their video camera. Nothing against Super, I love it, but if I can get a REG16 SR2 with a Ziess zoom for a week for only $900.00, I'll shoot on REG16. In the end the audience is not going to jump out of their seats because of the aspect ratio.

 

Yes... REG16 may be going away, but now is the time to shoot on it. Its cheaper than ever. The rental house I go to for R16 lens, the guy practically gives them away. He's glad someone is useing these lens that are just sitting on his shelf.

 

The one thing that still sucks is buying film. New is expensive as hell $125.00 for a 400ft can? OOOOuch!!!!

Try Jesse Chambless at Chambless Cine Equipment,

http://www.chamblesscineequip.com/Default.htm

email: bolexcce@ellijay.com

He has an assortment of replacement eypieces for various 16MM cameras.

Anyone know where I can find replacements for a Scoopic MS eyepiece?

There are two distinct markets for legacy 16MM gear today:

"Legacy" users, a diminishing market of people that still love older 1.33:1 aspect ratio, and still shoot it. This group is diminishing as we speak. I'm one of them.

Super 16 users, who are growing. If you decide to go this route, you'lll have to get that ACL modified for Super 16. Some production outfits love Super 16 because it looks like film, (well, duh!!!) which digital cannot impart. Lot's of HD stuff is actually Super 16 today.

The prices on ebay are all over the map, with Super 16 commanding a higher price.

Hi, I recently finished a project with my Eclair ACL and was thinking about selling it. I was wondering if there is a market for selling 16mm cameras in this day and age with so much new stuff happening with digital?

 

I'm thinking about getting it serviced by Optical Electro (Eclair specialists) for the sale so it will be up to factory spec. It is a heavily modified Eclair ACL 1. Several years back Optical Electro added a variable speed motor (18, 24, 36, and 50fps), the mag interface has been rework to improve upon the original, and they reinforced the handle so it's very solid. Apparently, these were short comings on the original model. The camera is solid and I've got good use out of it.

 

So, if I do get it service and it runs great, do you guys think I could sell it on Ebay for a reasonable price? Or is the 16mm market on the out?

 

Thanks

Bump, to refresh this thread!

Got to shrink that huge picture; it's really slowing down the thread! :o

Radio Shack (in the U.S.) has radio control battery packs and chargers in stock. Try them. That would sollve a lot of your

problems. Look for a battery pack that is between 7.5V (DC) and 8V (DC) maximum!!!, and minimum 8 Ampere-hours

(8 AH). You will have to rewire it to fit your camera.

What kind of camera is that?

[...] I'm gonna make the charger of a 220V transformer, which transforms to 7,5, 9 and 12V. Which would work best in charging the 7,2V battery? I'm guessing the 12V is to powerful.

OK - I assuume you are somewhere in Europe, what with a 220 VAC mains?

Remember that you need DC for the camera. Make sure you get good guidance from an electronics tech to guide you. You will need a mains transformer, rectifier, capacitors and regulators to derive the voltages you want. In any case, 12 VDC is to much for the Arri motors. I believe I provided a circuiit to regulate 8 VDC from 12 volts, in another thread.

As far as your voltage drop is concerned, make sure that you use a large enough size of wire to feed DC to the camera. Here in North America, we would use no less than #14 guage wire for the battery to camera conection, 1 meter or less. For a meter (approx 39 inches) or more I would use #12 guage wire. The Arri's draw at least 2.5 Amperes, and that will cause a significant voltage drop in thin wire. I'm sorry, but I have no idea of European wire guages :unsure: or what their equivalents would be.

I'm in my office right now, so I can't check, but unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't the 50ft , double-8 spool out of an 8MM cine camera work? (I have a few 8MM double-8 50ft spools in my shop.) I'll check them and report back. If so, just steal them out of a disused 8MM camera.

Assuming the floor tiles are properly laid, the floor should be relatively smooth. To be sure of smoothness, ensure that you have large pneumatic tires on the dolly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-5mm-C-MOUNT-Lens-CCT...#ht_8273wt_1167

Would this lens cover the 16mm format? Or even screw into a traditional C Mount?

Thanks- Nick

No reason why not. The C-mount was initially designed for 16MM cameras long before video camaras were designed. In fact C-mounts were chosen for video cameras because of convenience of size, focal distance and suitability of image size. The original 1 inch vidicon is very close in focal distrance, and image size to 16MM film.

Best man for this question is Bernie. If he isn't checking the forum often its because he's swamped with camera upgrades.

You can email him at bernie@super16inc.com and he'll probably give some free advice.

HOWEVER, if you don't mind spending a little money he does an upgrade called "laserbrighten" which not only cleans the ground glass but makes it massively brighter and easier to use. It is not just cleaner, but MUCH brighter and easier to focus.

Bump?

How does one access the ground glass in a K3? Mine is stained, and dirty (dust and dirt).

How should one clean the ground glass?

Good thread. I too have Arri 16 mags, Arri M mags and BL. Please indicate sources for these (Harrison?). Thanks

The LM7808 regulator is good for 1.5 Amps. Do we know for sure that that's enough for the Arri torque motor? Measure the output with a voltmeter under no load, and again with the motor connected. What do you get?

-- J.S.

In the event that 1.5 A is insufficient, the 7808 can be directly replaced with a 7808H, which is good for 3 A.

This type of regulator circuit is dead simple. The only reason for a severe voltage drop under load is that the DC source has insufficient current capacity. If building such a regulator, I would ensure that I had at least 3A minimum current capacity in my DC source. Make sure the 12V battery feeding the regulator is fully charged!

Alternately, you can use an AC source (transformer and rectifiers) to provide the DC. Good for indoor and filming on sets.

sorry dudes i didnt get it, read my post above.

Indeed! To be honest, you'll need to spend a minimum of $2000.00 to $2500.00 to get any decent Arri 16MM system, including camera, lense or lenses, motor(s), battery, matte-box, magazine(s) and some filters. And this is on the used market. You can get them for less, but that takes luck, and contacts to find someone who happens to want to get rid of a system cheap. I was very lucky to get mine as cheaply as I did, but I happened to be at the "right place at the right time".

Well... there's always a K3!!! :P

Hi John,

When I saw 'craiglists' .......alarm bells started ringing !

Hi John (Salim), good to see you here! I'm very active on 16mmfilmtalk.com ; I'm both a collector and a film-maker as well.

You may be right about scams on Craigslist; John will, I'm sure communicate with the seller for more info. Let's see what he finds out. Hopefully, it's a real deal!

About 18 months ago, I saw a great deal on Craig's List - a B&H 70DR complete kit with case in mint condition for $275.00 I inquired and it it was no scam! I eventuallly declined to buy it, but some lucky stiff got a great classic camera!

Let's see what John finds out.

will this one work with the 16m?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ARRI-16M-MAGAZINE-16mm...#ht_3351wt_1338

It sure looks like an Arri M magazine. I compared it to my own M mags, and my BL mag and pictures of the Arri S mag, and it sure looks like the magazine for the Arri M. However, unless it's an optical illusiion, it appears to be missing the core hub adapters, (which fit over the two hub pins shown in the open mag well). Core adapters are available from Whitehouse Audio Visual: Core Adapters You might wish to enquire about that. The price is certainly in line with the current used market.

There's also this one:

ARRIFLEX 400ft MAGAZINE for ARRI M (Note: GBP 49.00 is about $80. USD.)

Thanks for the info!, As far as the film magazines, I understand that the 16M can use 200f or 400f magazines. About how many recording minutes are each of those mags?

Hello, I am new here and got some questions about the Arri 16m camera. I saw an ad on craigslist for a 16M for $400 with three lenses of my choice (hes got a few he says; 10mm, 35mm,50mm, 80mm), the guy selling it told me the camera is working but has not been serviced in years and has been stored away in a house. He also told me the camera does not come with a magazine.

 

I have been making short films on video for years and want to move into film and although i do not know much, from some research ive done , the camera seems to be a great little camera for 16mm and from footage ive seen of the 16s (i havent found any of the 16m) the quality looks great. Do you guys think this is a good deal or do better deals pop up on ebay ?

A 16M with prime lenses already mounted on the body, for $400. is not bad at all!!! . (Prime lenses (depending on make and quality) can run anywhere from $250. to over $1000. each!.) (I'm going to assume it's a straight 16M, and not an M/B? The M/B takes one bayonet mount lens, and two standard mounts.)

The magazines are available from various sources for under $200 each. You will probably need a matte box and filter holders too. Those run about $300. each more or less. I assume it comes with a motor? Assorted motors will run anywhere from $75 all the way to $1000, depending on type (constant speed, variable, regulated or Tobin). You're going to need a battery belt or battery box to run the motor, and its associated cabling. All of this can be bought from various used dealers or even eBay.

The Arri M is my preferred choice for shooting 16. I actuallty prefer it to the Arri BL. Lighter and easier to transport and use. It's an MOS camera, so it's noisy, but if that's not an issue, it's a great camera.

Assuming that it's in good shape, it will need some attention from an expert - lubing, adjustments, and general checking out. The Arri M can be serviced by Axel Broda, in LA. He is the reknown "go-to-guy" expert on the Arri M and Arri BL.

Let me know if you decide to buy it, and I'll give you the details on magazine and parts sources, and Axel's contact info.

Ed

just an aftermarket paint job. I prefer the old crinkle finish black though I must say...

Me too! I just love black wrinkle, whether on my Arri's or vintage communications gear, mil surplus... whatever! ;)

OK - cheap solution (less than $15.00).

Go to this website:

http://www.electronics123.com/s.nl;jsessio...it=A&id=432

and purchase the voltage regulator kit.

It looks like this:

Schematics and documentation:

http://www.electronics123.net/amazon/datasheet/k60.pdf

You'll need a minibox to put it in from Radio Shack.

Will provide 8 volts at 1 ampere. Case closed.

Alternatively, if that's not available, just buy a 7808 voltage regulator IC from Radio Shack. requires two other parts (small capacitors). Get a tech to build it for you.

Hello everyone,

 

I am using a 12 volt battery with my Arri 16s/b and things are running fine with the internal 100ft loads. However last weekend while shooting with the 400 foot mags, I ran into trouble because the magazine was pulling on the film too hard and causing havoc. Eventually things worked better by slowing the take up reel by using my index and thumb on the knurled rotating part but that is not a permanent solution and burns the fingers!

 

Can anyone help me find the directions to convert the motor to 12 volts or limit the voltage coming into the motor from 12v to 8v?

 

Would a resistor work?

thanks~!

-pete

It might. The problem with resistors is that they're not linear with regards to current drain. So long as your current drain from the motor is constant, the voltage drop will be also. The other problem with resistors is that they might limit current too much, and kill any torque in the motor, rendering it too weak.

A better alternative is an 8 volt votage regulator with a pass transistor to handle the current. This is what the Arri transistorized motor did, and what Tobin did as well. The circuit is actually quite simple, and the parts count small. If you're experienced in electronics, it's a snap, otherwise, get a electronics tech to build it for you. I'll see if I can dig up a schematic. (No guarantees!) :unsure:

How about posting some pictures and a price. Best, -Tim

Pics and a price would be nice, especially the price range, as it would give us Arri fans an idea whether it will fit our budget.