stevie wara

Have you seen this thread? It might be that the only real advantage of a 7d is wider dof options. But to say that it "handily" out-resolves 16mm is probably just a fantasy.

Well I don't know what you mean by "native" either. I only used "native" because you did first without saying what you meant by "native". I'm possibly not even sure what I meant by "native". But after all, whatever. The OP is only talking about a music video, so really non of these formats are going to be super stressed. Some music videos show horrendous amounts of moire off the hdslrs but no one really notices as it is often hidden by quick cutting or just low attention spans. You have a point with shallow dof, but what a relief it would be to see some deeper focus every now and then. Everyone's jumped on the super-shallow freight train it seems to the point that it's becoming nauseating. 5d is so shallow that DPs have to pour on more light just to get some reasonable depth. My personal point of comparison comes from actual 2k film scans transcoded to 10 bit cineform hds vs canon mvi h.264s transcoded to 10 bit cineforms as well. I find the 7d originated files are pretty much crippled by the prior h.264 compressions. The film originated files however are awesome. The 7ds shine when the DP gets it right or very close at capture. You can be a full 2 stops or more off with film and still fully recover. I wonder if you are just looking at the stills resolution figures to form your opinion or if you are taking into account the line-skipping losses of detail. I didn't really consider grain at all since I don't view it as a negative, and certainly not as noise as I think PR has suggested. But if you all want to make grain an issue then possibly you are right about all of this. And to PR, hahaha, had a good laugh when you said that a 7d is "sharper than 16 which has something wrong with it." :)

I think you will find that 16mm properly exposed will kick the crap out of anything a 5d or 7d can produce. This is not to say that the dslrs cannot produce great images, which they can, but really, resolution and dynamic range wise, there is no contest. That's just my humble opinion. And KB is seriously misinformed if he thinks a 7d can offer more "native" resolution than s16.