thank you, both of you, i really appreciate all the help @ Chris Miller thats a huge shame we live in diffrent countrys as he sounds like the perfect person talk to, i know you don't have to have a degree to work as a grip ( the course that i'm doing is film productionsothat cover everything from pre,prodution and post) , i only relised last year that i want to work as a grip, when my university made a feature film (the only uni in the country that does this ) where i was the grip and camera assistant, which i really enjoyed and gained a whole lot of repect for the job. and made we want to get my foot in the door of the film industry as a runner / grip.