Ted Hinkle

I saw this lens at NAB and wondered if it would work on my beaulieu 4008 ZM II?

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um... what is?

I found a nice example of wide angle footage from a music video shot on the 1014 XLS with the Canon C-8 wide angle adapter here.

I just received my Century 3.5mm super wide lens in the mail today. I'm pretty happy with it although I'd still like something even wider. I'm guessing the field of view is probably around 110 degrees. Will post stills once I get some footage back from transfer.

 

Another note of interest on the wide angle topic... I saw a Samigon Fisheye 180 degree Aux C-mount lens sell on ebay this last week for about $80... I was curious about this lens and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it? I haven't seen any samigon c-mount lenses before and was tempted to bid but couldn't justify after spending $$$ on my Century 3.5mm. Is this samigon lense any good?

I have just purchased my 4008 and am looking for a rail system and came across this thread. Does American Cinematographic Systems still exist? If so would someone please post the contact information.

 

Yes and the webpage is here: http://www.americancinespec.com/pages/Beaulieu.html

I found another video on vimeo from Wade to share some examples of wide angle footage. This one was apparently shot on a Nikon R10 with a UWL adapter. I thought I remember hearing people had a difficult time with this set-up but this footage doesn't look too bad. Would be nice to see it on a better transfer though.

 

 

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The 3.5mm lens for Super 8 will give a wider field of view on Super 8 than the 3.5mm lens for 16mm (if the 16mm lens gives 150 degrees in 16mm, it's going to give a lot less than the 100 degrees of the Super 8 lens on your Beaulieu 4008 ZM II). Both lenses were available in C-mount, so both can work on a C-mount camera. The lenses can be differentiated by name, but they're also physically quite different. The 3.5mm lens for Super 8 has a length of 4.4 inches and the 3.5mm lens for 16mm is half as long at 2.2 inches.

 

Thanks Glenn. I really appreciate your advice, I actually found a super wide 3.5mm for super 8 and I'm expecting it soon, so I'll post some frames after I get a chance to play with it. I'm anxious to see what the framing looks like and how wide it is.

I've found Century Precision Optics specification sheets for the 1.9mm f/1.8 Ultra Wide Angle, 2.5mm f/1.8 Extreme Wide Angle, 3.5mm Super Wide Angle, and 3.5mm f/1.8 Extreme Wide Angle. The first and last are 16mm lenses and the middle two are Super 8 lenses.

 

The 3.5mm Super 8 lens weighs 6.25 ounces, resolves 260 l/mm, and has less than 20% distortion and a 100 degree diagonal angle of view. The 3.5mm lens for 16mm weighs 9 ounces, resolves more than 200 l/mm, and has less than 30% distortion and a 150 degree diagonal angle of view.

 

 

So between the two 3.5mm lenses you mention, which one would be a wider angle of view on my beaulieu 4008 ZMII? You mention the 3.5mm f/1.8 Extreme Wide Angle being a 16mm lens, will it work for super 8... I suppose it wouldn't be as wide on super 8mm, right? How do you tell the difference in the lenses? is it just the name "super wide" for super 8mm vs. "extreme wide" for 16mm?

 

I noticed that the footage I posted of Tom Houston's 3.5mm extreme wide angle on the 4008 ZMII was not as wide as I was expecting it to be. Would it be wider on the "century 3.5mm super wide angle lens"?

 

Thanks... It's all about the details.

Thanks David! Nice frame grabs. Thanks for taking the time to share!

 

I wish that someone would post a frame or two from a Beaulieu 4008 ZMII with a Century 1.9mm lens, like the one that Duall rents... Would be nice to see if it's worth the rental. Has anyone tried this lens? Would there be vignetting?

Woops I missed the link to Tom's footage in my first post. So here it is:

 

By Tom Houston. BTW he was reccomended to me by Bernie Odoherty for Recelling original Beaulieu Batteries for the 4008 ZM II Tom's website is

Canon 1014 XL-S with C-8 wide angle adapter footage. From Randy Simon. Looks like there's a little bit of vignetting and it also looks like it might be stretched wide.

 

Beaulieu 4008 ZM II with c mount CCTV lens and wide angle adapter From myself. This footage shot with a few different lenses but specifically the shots at 00:22 to 00:26 and 2:32 to 2:38 I know were from this lens. I've had mixed results with this set-up some times it's in focus sometimes it's not. Pics of this lens setup and a couple stills from other footage can be seen here.

 

A beaulieu 5008 with "shnieder 6-70" and a "canon c-8 5mm wide angle gaffed on the front" From Mulesfilm. Too much vignetting for my taste.

 

Pro 8mm Classic Beaulieu 4008 ZM II with 3.5mm elgeet and 3.5mm Century. By SmartAss Productions, There was an article on this set up in Small Format March 2007 here. At the end of page 17. And the video they refer to is the 2006 Copa Tecate Music video which can be seen in SmartAss Production's screening room... sorry couldn't find the link but if you go to their website it's easy to find just look for 2006 copa tecate music video in there screening room. Footage looks good but not as wide as I'd like to get... it wouldn't be wider but maybe an HD transfer would give it a different look.

 

I'll try to post more when I get the chance. But what do you got?

I've found it a challenge getting consistent good quality ultra wide angle to fisheye shots on super 8. It means we've got to have either a good quality wide angle adapter that stays in focus, or a Century C mount of 1.9mm, or a 2.5mm which seem next to impossible to find and then have it collimated for our camera. Duall in NYC rents a 1.9mm but if you rent you've got to have it collimated for your camera and if you don't live in NYC that also means extra days of rental time to have it shipped. Perhaps some feel the Century 3.5mm is wide enough but the only footage I've seen is from Tom Houston, a great guy who does great work, has posted his 3.5mm footage here. But for me that's just not wide enough. So to help myself and hopefully others to see what they might be getting into with adapters or Cmount lenses, etc. I thought for those of us who care we could post some ultra wide angle to fisheye footage if we've got any or post a link to footage you've seen. Also I'm very curious to see if anyone has footage from the Canon 1014 XL-s with a C-8 wide angle adapter. I'll post a few shots and or links to wide angle stuff I've found too and be sure to post what lens and camera was used.

I'm interested in getting one of those Nikon F to C-mount adapters so I can use Nikon lenses on my beaulieu 4008 ZM II. I do realize there's a big difference in the field of view (no worries I'm not bringing that one up again) I've noticed on ebay some AI'd or AIS lenses say they will fit on older f mount cameras. Will they fit on a nikon f to c-mount adapter. If not is there a different adapter... like a AIS to c-mount? Couldn't find any answers to this when I searched and I want to make sure before I purchase anything. Thanks!

Well I think I'm going to go with a recelled NiMh battery from Tom Houston of filmmaker8 you can purchase new batteries from him or send him your old ones and he'll recell them for you. He also sells a cool smart charger. It requires a slight in camera modification but sounds like it will be a good solution. He came reccomended by Bernie Odoherty of Super 16inc. who I always send my camera to for servicing.

I've been thinking how nice it would be to have a Wireless trigger for Beaulieu 4008 ZMII? any thoughts/ideas on how this might be done??? Maybe a button to get my wife to bring me coffee and breakfast in bed too? j/k :-)

Hello,

 

here you will find what you need:

 

http://www.beaulieu.de/pages/s8_azub8.php

 

I would recommend the ENELOOP battery.

Works very nice in my camera.

 

Maik

 

Thanks Maik!

If the original compartment is still there, I thought pro8 sealed them off, with the contacting springblades you could indeed find an 'original' battery. From Wittner or used market.

If there is only a connector on the camera you likely are best off installing a batteryclip/pack of 6 AAA on top or at the bottom. Then wire this to the connector. This is likely the cheapest method and would still get around 500mAh.

They took off the grip and the lenscontrols didn't they while 'improving' the camera? You might just as well get a 2nd camera in original condition. Much better for shooting from hand. :)

 

 

I unscrewed the connector where the original battery goes and it still has the original 3 contacting springblades (no wires)... so I'd imagine I could just do like you say and find an original battery to use. It is an older reconfig. by super 8 sound (pro8) and they did not remove the handgrip or lens controls so I think this one will work great. thanks for your assistance!!! Looks like an easy solution this time. Pretty cool I can switch back and forth from battery pack to on camera battery when I choose to depending on the application. Didn't know I could do that!

I currently have a beaulieu zm II that was reconfigured at some point by Super 8 sound (now pro 8) with external battery pack and it works great but I'd like to set it up some how so that I have the option to use a camera mountable battery without cables are there any solutions without having to reconfigure the connection? The battery doesn't have to last for very long even just 5 min. would be fine. Is there a viable solution or perhaps should I go back to the original beaulieu config. are there good batteries for the original config??? Thanks!!!

Needs to be in good working condition for surfing shoot. Must be in US and willing to overnight shipping

Anyone have a eumig nautical for sale?

I've been google-ing this for a while off and on today to see if I could find anything that anyone has done transferring digital to super 8mm and all that I've found so far, is this company in Canada that uses a kinescope digital film recorder. Their website is http://www.blackandwhitefilmfactory.com/ they also transfer digital video to 16mm. The samples of the transfer to 16mm seem more appealing (based solely on the sample footage). I wish they had more samples of the transfer to super 8mm as the ones they have aren't that great and they're at very poor resolution. Still curious to see if anyone has done anything else like this.

This is kind of an interesting post and I thought it was odd no one responded to. Although I could see that this concept would be frowned upon since it seems kind of backwards. That being said has anybody tried this or tried shooting an LCD or LED screen with a super 8mm camera. What were the results what would be the best lighting and circumstances to shooting this way. Or perhaps a frame by frame conversion from digital video footage to super 8mm film for the purpose of adding flicker and grain in a way that would be better than any nle effect. I think for me this kind of takes the fun out of super 8mm and it just seems wrong to do it. But I haven't heard of anyone trying it and I can't help but wonder what it would look like?

I just used the hmc150 for the first time. Rented it for a project and in low light the colors looked very dull and washed out. I haven't done any work with it in color yet but I was dissapointed and the rental house gave me free upgrade to the hpx170 for my next shoot. Right out of the case already I can tell a big difference with the color abilities having played around with it for about 5 min. The colors just pop more with the hpx170 and i'm no technological genius.

Yea that looks pretty cohesive! The rental house I used gave me a free upgrade for my next shoot to the hpx-170 so i'm hoping to get nice results like your friend got. Thanks for sharing. So far from my testing it seems as though the hpx-170 can handle color much better than the hmc 150 probably because it doesn't have to compress so much onto those little sdhc cards. The footage I was getting from the hmc150 was very washed out looking in low light, or at least dull in color.

Has anyone succesfully mixed 5D footage with another camera format? I recently tried to do this with the Panasonic HMC150 (dumb idea!) I wound up with beautiful footage from the 5D mk II and really poor quality from the HMC150. Mostly I think because I was shooting in low light conditions. I am interested in trying to mix it with the Sony EX-1. Does anyone think that this is worth trying.

 

I like the idea of shooting with a "safe" camera to pick up sound and then mix in footage from the 5D mkII for artistic shots. I say "safe" in terms mostly of focus, sound, and clip length.

 

Would I be better to use a portable sound recorder such the Zoom H4N and then sync up sound later or is there a camera with xlr inputs that will give me footage I can mix with the 5D mkII???