Joao Paulo Miranda Maria

Here are the little pieces of film that got stuck on the guides, at the end of the video...

Good Morning, I just now did a new test with the 35mm magasin, this time differently before starting the engine I turned the gear a bit without the motor, only with a screwdriver. So slowly turning I noticed the claw working normally. Then, without removing the magasin, I put the motor on and started.... It worked fine, until arrives to the end of the small film I am testing (it is quite old and was already attached to the magasin when I bought it, so it must have been sitting there for years) As you can see at the end, again there is the problem of the claw tearing the perforations, but this time when I took the magasin off, I saw certain pieces of the film stuck on the side guides of the Gate. I know that these guides must work to maintain the stability of the film, but couldn't I remove them? Because the standard cameflex gates work without these guides and mine came with these guides as well as the cm3. I send video and photos of the gate with the pieces of film that were stuck in the side guide. Or maybe it is just the problem of inflexibility of the old film and I should test with other pieces film? Anyway it is a pleasure to continue the discussion and share these experiences. Best!

This one in CM3 brochure don't have the logo and I saw one CM3 being sold here without the logo too.

In fact there is no "CM3" logo on the side of the camera, but this plate with the two side pieces I have never seen on the standard ones, and even if I clean, lubricate and check the good functioning of the claws, I can't understand what is the problem that makes different magasins film tension in the same way?

And these window frames came together too, but I really don't know how can be attached. For now, I just need to make it works for 16mm and see other possibilities in the future...

Now I see that mine is CM3, right? Can I use these magasin removing the two guide from the slot? Or maybe there is any kind of perforations modification like this photo says about techniscope adaptation? If Yes, how can change the claws stroke?

All my five magasins are two holes on the top as your second image.

What is this piece and what do it? Is it preventing the claws from reaching the film?

Thank you Marek again! Without the film, the take up roller moves normally as with the film too... I checked the magasin manually assembled and detached from the camera too... On the two moments the take-up roller pulls the film, but always the top part of the loop increases as if the film has some difficulty getting out of the top part, maybe something is impeding the exit of the film from the top passage or something is really impeding the claws of the plate to pull down the film... As we talked last time it's not looking to be a problem of the plate claws (they worked normal and they're not stiff) But maybe something could be preventing or hindering the contact of the claws with the film: see the picture of this piece on the plate, which I haven't found any information about and is not in the BBC manual. Do you know what it is? Because it was easily removable, without any screws, and it had two types of small thin wires inside it as if this piece would help to guide and press the side of the film... I will show here a photo.

Here is the down claws of the Sprocket, where it tore the perforations.

Dear Friends, As I said before, the problem in the 16mm magasin was solved with lubrication and cleaning... But now that I got one bobine of 35mm I am also testing the other magasin I have. Unfortunately a similar problem appears, but lubrication does not solve this time. Testing with motor and manually, I see that the problem happens in the magasin (even though they are different), because the perforation tears were made by the Sprocket down claws inside magazine forcing to push the film. I have a theory that it could be a problem with the Magazine light-trap-actuating lug or the Upper and lower single roller adjust. I saw that they can be adjusted, but I still don't understand how to do it. Thanks again for all the knowledge about it, even though I still look for other manuals to better understand the whole system and details of cameflex magasins. Here are photos:

Thank you Boris, I tried hard to find the complete illustrated manual in pdf. I found one English version but is not the same as your.

Thank you Boris, I don't have the manual. I just found some informations on internet. If you have this chart, please share it. All the Best!

Thank you so much, Marek! I really appreciate your attention and any suggestion you can show me to check for proper functioning will be very helpful. All the Best! Joao

Dear Merek, an update: I just did a new test just now, with a little rest of film I had left, and it seems to have worked! I just opened the red lubrication thread and tried to put a drop of oil, but I say that I hardly put anything, it was really very little because I have here only a watchmaker's oil and the drops are stuck on an extremely thin brush... that is, almost nothing I put... I closed the thread and did this test. I don't know if it is just a lubrication problem. If you could tell me what kind of oil or even your maintenance procedure, please let me know. I would still like to one day do a complete cleaning and professional review on it, and who knows, maybe come to London in person with the camera and see if you could do this service for me. I look forward to hearing from you so we can talk about it. For now I would be very grateful if you could give me some tips on cleaning and lubricating it, so that I can test a real shoot again and make sure it is working better. All the Best, Joao

Thank you very much, Marek. If you can make a video as soon as you can test it on the weekend, I would really appreciate it. I believe it needs some simple adjustment to get this sync back. I also don't know if it would need to be lubricated to also help this process...

Thank you, Frank. Yes, I checked the top and bottom knoob inching, seeing that the claws were well fitted on both sides. I also do the loop as indicated.. I'll try to make this pressure on the next test as soon as I find more 16mm used film to test on next days. Maybe I would need to do a good cleaning and adjust the pressure of the pads, I never did... the film looks after each test, having jagged marks and ruptured lateral perforations. But note that the jagged marks are made by the inner roller inside magazine, cause it's not the exposed side on the Gate, so they are marks made by rolling in the magazine that goes out of sync. Before I make each test I made the traditional loop by hand but when the motor start is exactly what you see on the videos...

Here is a video of a test where the film is broken inside the magazine, at the top, before going to the gate:

Marek, here is one video showing the claws work and details mine magazine pression pads: https://youtu.be/YYItqxGvvSo The 16mm claws are more subtle than the 35mm, but I can see them coming out. I also noticed in a test with the magazine cover open, that still inside the magazine, before the film came out for the Gate, a piece of the perforation was torn by the tension. And I have always checked that the internal jaws of the roller (both upper and lower) are fitted into the perforation, but something goes out of sync right at the beginning, as if the bobine (down side) is forcing to pull the film. Another detail, I am using a Perfectone 24fps motor.

Thank you! We can schedule. My e-mail is jpmiranda82@yahoo.com In the meantime I'll try to make a video of the claws working and the pads. Best, Joao Paulo Miranda Maria

Hello, I have a cameflex 35/16mm and I am having a problem with the 16mm magazine. I don't know if the problem is the pressure pad that doesn't make the film get caught by the claw to be pulled down or if the magazine is not specific to the series model of the camera. Here is a video of the problem: https://youtu.be/Ul_MOVCrQUQ I am based in Paris and am looking for a place to do a check service. I appreciate all the attention and advice. Best, Joao Paulo MIRANDA MARIA