Mike Brennan Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 BBC have now stopped accepting digibeta for all factual and learning programs. In addition to this they are forcing producers and researchers to self shoot and self edit using Z1 and FCP. This is not an isolated case folks its the real thing. When you combine the two strategies you can see that overnight professional "craft cameramen" are no longer needed at the BBC for documentaries.... What is the experience of "self shooting" COAL (Cameras Operated at Arms Length) in the USA? Mike Brennan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peter J DeCrescenzo Posted November 20, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted November 20, 2005 (edited) Hello Mr. Brennan: Wow, this is stunning and depressing news. I can understand if the BBC or any television network might announce they've _begun_ to accept Z1 HDV footage in addition to other formats, but for them to _only_ accept HDV for a whole class of programming seems very short-sighted. What if someone has some incredible non-HDV footage they want broadcast? Is the BBC aware that for the vast majority of shooters/producers it's currently difficult or extremely inconvenient to do a high quality transfer of non-HDV footage to the HDV format? For example, Sony's little HDV deck can _not_ up-convert analog video or DV to HDV. I believe Miranda and Convergent Design now offer HDV converters, but these are very new and almost no one has them yet -- I don't know if these handle up-conversion. As for HDV "COAL" footage, I'd expect it to share the same asthetic as other handycam COAL footage: It's an effect which, like any other effect, is probably best used as little as possible and when it makes sense movitation-wise. Personally I strongly dislike the COAL w/a "big nose" look. Perhaps in the race to the bottom, the slippery slope is greased with questionable intentions? All the best, - Peter DeCrescenzo Edited November 20, 2005 by Peter DeCrescenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Wyndham Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 MIke, could you link to a press release or other documentation that states this directly from the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim J Durham Posted November 21, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 What is the experience of "self shooting" COAL (Cameras Operated at Arms Length) in the USA? Mike Brennan It's mixed: http://franken.8k.com/cgi-bin/i/snlpic5.gif Quite frankly, the skill range of news camera people over here is vast. It would be all too easy for this practice to gain even wider acceptance than it has now and I suspect it's only a matter of time. The photo I linked was from an SNL comedy skit, ofcourse, but that set-up is the near future. This guy has made it a lifes mission: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fe...l?msg_id=0000uC http://dirckhalstead.org/platypus.html http://www.theworkshops.com/catalog/course...p?CourseID=2788 I used to work with (amongst) him and his mag photog comrades at the White House when I was a field cameraman. There was usually SOME tension between the TV and stills people, but we were usually bigger and had heavier stuff so... I wonder who's buttering his bread now? Looks like he might get the last laugh (not that I'll be around to hear it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Wyndham Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 A piece of information that has come my way is that the BBC have not stopped accepting DB. What they have done however is to lift the restriction on demanding DB as a master format, thereby allowing others such as IMX50 to be submitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonFilmMan Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 A piece of information that has come my way is that the BBC have not stopped accepting DB. What they have done however is to lift the restriction on demanding DB as a master format, thereby allowing others such as IMX50 to be submitted. Thank you Simon Wyndham: I wish other people would get their facts straight. Can't be doco makers can they? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peter J DeCrescenzo Posted November 24, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted November 24, 2005 A piece of information that has come my way is that the BBC have not stopped accepting DB. What they have done however is to lift the restriction on demanding DB as a master format, thereby allowing others such as IMX50 to be submitted. That makes (more) sense! Thanks Simon. - Peter DeCrescenzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGrover Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Hi all, To add a little to this, the BBC Factual Dept, are shooting Z1, but as far as I'm aware currently in DV-Cam mode not HDV. They're bringing in the Z1 as the standard workhorse replacement for the PD150/170 which most of their footage was shot with, by researchers & AP's anyway. The main addition to this is the desktop editing where they're bringing in FCP systems as a long term cost cutting measure. I currently work in factual programming, albeit for an indie, and did some time at the beeb when this was first announced back in May. As far as I'm aware they're dropping DigiBeta from factual but keeping higher end DV, DSR-570 et-al, as for the purposes of the programmes they're delivering, DV delivers the quality they require. I know, that some of the AP's can shoot DSR but I'm not sure what the long term goal is for shooting on higher end cams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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