F Bulgarelli Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hello everyone, I've met some dp's who tend to push the film to obtain higher color saturation and contrast but without really underexposing the stock. as a matter of fact sometimes they are actually overexposing and pushing at the same time. I've notice this method specially for commercial work. My approach has been to increase contrast or saturation during the transfer but i've been thinking about trying it in camera. i'm talking strictly for the small screen. I was wondering if anyone had any experiences or suggestions they would like to share, thanks francisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Rosenbloom Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) I shot a student film last year which is a drama about a husband and wife and the husband accidentally kills their son. I always overexpose 1/3 stop, but I wanted to increase the "local contrast" and make the image a little more "tense," so I pushed a stop in addition to the overexposure. The film turned out very saturated, as well as more grainy, but in a good way; the image has some substance to it. It really fits the gloomy drama (If I do say so myself.) I also benefited on that job from a nice set of Zeiss primes, and I'm always wary of stray light. If you're interested, I can email you a couple of stills. Edited November 17, 2006 by Jon Rosenbloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F Bulgarelli Posted November 18, 2006 Author Share Posted November 18, 2006 I shot a student film last year which is a drama about a husband and wife and the husband accidentally kills their son. I always overexpose 1/3 stop, but I wanted to increase the "local contrast" and make the image a little more "tense," so I pushed a stop in addition to the overexposure. The film turned out very saturated, as well as more grainy, but in a good way; the image has some substance to it. It really fits the gloomy drama (If I do say so myself.) I also benefited on that job from a nice set of Zeiss primes, and I'm always wary of stray light. If you're interested, I can email you a couple of stills. Thanks John, I would like to see the stills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedran Rapo Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 same here, if it is possible to see those stills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted November 24, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted November 24, 2006 A "push" ECN-2 process will generally increase the contrast and color saturation of the image, along with an increase in graininess. The Kodak VISION2 color negative films have enough latitude to be able to overexpose by a stop or so, and still be able to print/transfer a "push-1" processed image. Slight overexposure increases shadow detail, and increased the density ("blackness") of the blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitay Artenstein Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I shot a student film last year which is a drama about a husband and wife and the husband accidentally kills their son. I always overexpose 1/3 stop, but I wanted to increase the "local contrast" and make the image a little more "tense," so I pushed a stop in addition to the overexposure. The film turned out very saturated, as well as more grainy, but in a good way; the image has some substance to it. It really fits the gloomy drama (If I do say so myself.) I also benefited on that job from a nice set of Zeiss primes, and I'm always wary of stray light. If you're interested, I can email you a couple of stills. Hi, I would also like to see those stills. Maybe it would be possible to post something here for everyone? Thanks, Nitay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Baker Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I shot a student film last year which is a drama about a husband and wife and the husband accidentally kills their son. I always overexpose 1/3 stop, but I wanted to increase the "local contrast" and make the image a little more "tense," so I pushed a stop in addition to the overexposure. The film turned out very saturated, as well as more grainy, but in a good way; the image has some substance to it. It really fits the gloomy drama (If I do say so myself.) I also benefited on that job from a nice set of Zeiss primes, and I'm always wary of stray light. If you're interested, I can email you a couple of stills. Another party interested in seeing the stills from this project. The technique interests me, and would very much like to see the results. Please let me know if they are posted or you can e-mail -- thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Rosenbloom Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I posted some stills, w/ captions on myspace. I think you have to sign in to see them. Let me know. http://www.myspace.com/jwrnyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I shot a bunch of 7274 pushed one NO compensation for the push (& some leaned on another 1/2 stopish) -- it printed in the mid to high 30's -- on Colorlab's 1-40 scale !! and looked totally great in daily prints - I almost thought I'd put a roll from 7245 up by mistake when I screened the first dailies. However, I have yet to get a good looking High Def transfer from this neg on two different Spirits / colorists. Well some shots with even natural light were nice (which might as well have been on pushed '45 tho...) but ones with a large range highlight/burning sun to deep shadow, no. C-Reality transfer in SD looked much better however. Need to investigate more, but digital finish suggests this extreme is problematic in some ways. Wondering if I need to really get heavily into secondaries at the very least. Raises the question - if that much secondary correction is needed, maybe better to shoot more normally (somewhat against my nature :D -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Mitov Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I shot a 7217, underexposing it with 1 stop and pushing 1 stop. It was highly contrasty, with deep shadows (somehow flat though) and high saturation. I loved it and it wasn't that grainny. I'm thinking of doing that again... thanks Colorlab :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Dee Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I always overexpose 1/3 stop, but I wanted to increase the "local contrast" and make the image a little more "tense," so I pushed a stop in addition to the overexposure. Hey Jon, I just check out the stills on your myspace - and they look very nice!!! Well done mate!!! here are the stills for the ones who are still curious. I should of used that technique for my short film - uhmm here's a question Jon, do you normaly apply that method to natural light or it doesn't matter? Cause I think it's more dramatic to manipulate natural as opposed to a lighting kit (in my opinion that is). my best, Joey Dee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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