Scott Bryant Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 How were matte paintings introduced onto the film. I've seen some behind the scenes videos of films that inserted matte paintings into frames as a background for actors to move around in without green screens. Just out of curiosity does anyone know how this was accomplished? I'm not particularly interested in trying it myself i was just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted March 4, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 4, 2008 How were matte paintings introduced onto the film. I've seen some behind the scenes videos of films that inserted matte paintings into frames as a background for actors to move around in without green screens. Just out of curiosity does anyone know how this was accomplished? I'm not particularly interested in trying it myself i was just wondering. "Were" or "are"? Are you asking how it is done today digitally or how it used to be done? If an actor crosses in front of any new background, he has to be keyed in. If they didn't shoot him against a chroma key, then they would have to create the key one frame at a time using rotoscoping (hand-drawing around the object, like keyframe animation). Once they have a key (a cut-out shape of the area crossing in front of the new background) they can paste the foreground in front of the background without it looking transparent, which is what would happen with a simple double-exposure. However, a lot of matte paintings are added to areas of the frame where people aren't crossing in front, so simpler techniques like split-screens can be used, soft or hard-edged. Or, with some digital matte paintings, the live-action shot is scanned and just touched-up frame by frame in a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Sprung Posted March 4, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 4, 2008 For a look at how it was done in the old days, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Whitlock -- J.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hayes Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 In the early days these amazing artists would go to the shooting location set up a camera. Lens and a Giant sheet of glass. Then they would paint the added element. When they were done the film unit would show up, add the cast, and shoot. As cameras got more sophisticated they started doing double exposures and shooting the mattes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Workman Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 movie magic baby! :ph34r: ...yeah or the above mentioned...Even more fun with motion control cameras or match moving. http://www.mattepainting.org/ http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/grou...chmoving_g.html Books: D'artiste: Matte Painting : Digtal Artists Master Class The Invisible Art: The Legends of Movie Matte Painting Digital Domain: The Leading Edge of Visual Effects Enjoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Bryant Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Very interesting. I enjoy old ways of doing stuff like matte paintings and live action special effects. I guess because they have been passed up now for CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Case Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Well before Albert Whitlock was the American glass shot pioneer Norman Dawn. He shot (with DoP Len Roos) a big-budget ($70,000 in those days!) corny, melodramatic silent drama in Australia in 1927 called "For the Term of his Natural Life" - a convict saga strangely reminiscent of an antipodean Les Miserables in some ways. There are ruins of the celebrated convict settlement at Port Arthur in Tasmania, and Dawn had enormous glass plates painted to extend the ruins up to their original skyline. Of course they had to paint the roof and upper storeys of the prison block to be a perfect match with the surviving lower parts. No small skill required. I seem to recall that one or more of the glass plates survives and is exhibited at Port Arthur to show what the building was like before the roof fell in. Cinema re-writing history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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