Marc Levy Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Does anyone make a 16mm infrared b/w film? If so, what equipment and production concerns (incl. post) relate to infrared ? Is it a reality for a low-budget? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Zetetick Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 I was told by an Illford rep a few years ago that they make/sell SFX200 for 16mm. I've used this film for still photography but not 16mm. My understanding is that SFX200 is not full-on B&W infrared film, but a hybrid which will approximate infrared film if the same filtration is employed (dark red filters, etc). See: http://www.mawddwy.freeserve.co.uk/sfx200.htm One benefit of using SFX200 is that the film is not as sensitive as infrared, and therefore can be handled more like standard film. I shot about 3 rolls of the still-film variety. Only a few pictures were usable. Hard to get the exposure right. I can only imagine how frustrating real infrared film must be. But the effect is wonderful and it's too bad infrared B&W isn't used more often for dramatic features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Levy Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks, I'll look into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwff Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Ilford SFX 200 is red base film (not infrared) and will give you excellent results especially when using red or green filters. Processing available at www.blackandwhitefilmfactory.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted May 3, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Kodak website has a few items regarding use of infrared sensitive films, which are NOT normally supplied for motion-picture use by Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/...rguy_9-16.shtml http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/...guy_17-24.shtml http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/...002/aicpP.shtml Jeff Darling's work http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/pro...s/f13/f13.jhtml Stock of both B&W and color infrared film in lengths suitable for motion picture use is generally available from this dealer in Hollywood: Calumet Photographic Supply 805 N Highland Ave (at Santa Monica Blvd) Hollywood, CA 90036 Tel: (323) 466-1238 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 3, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi, Hey, I wandered randomly into their store while in LA a couple of weeks back and they even had super-8! Wahoo. Pihl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarin Blaschke Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 John - would Kodak ever sell it's infared film in long rolls for MP use? What would be the minimum amount in order for them to consider this offer? I recall seeing infared footage in "Fast, Cheap and Out of Control" - how was this obtained? The images seemed like true infared and not simply extended-red sensitive film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted May 3, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted May 3, 2004 Generally, to even be considered, the quantities likely need to be on the order of what a slit wide roll would yield (each roll is at least 6000 feet long, and yields 38 35mm strips, or 83 16mm strips). Since the film is not specifically designed for motion-picture use (halation protection, lubrication for camera transport, finishing characteristics, etc.), it would likely be sold "as is". For infrared, you then need to find a lab willing to process it (many labs use infrared night-vision scopes and infrared leader detectors in their darkrooms). Each request is considered on a one-by-one basis, so check with your Kodak sales and engineering rep if you have a project that has "off the wall" film requirements. Here's the "scoop" on "finish to order" or "special order": http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...talog/terms.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarin Blaschke Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 So then the order would have to be an absolute minumum of 228 thousand-foot rolls of 35mm? (38 x 6000') But, anything then could be theoretically ordered? Color infared? Technical Pan? Is HIE still film even sold as bulk loads (100')? Huh. I could have sworn that that robot shot in "Fast, Cheap and out of Control" was infared. Maybe it was SFX...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted May 3, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted May 3, 2004 As I said, it is done on a case-by-case basis. The example I gave was general, as many products are coated as at least 6000 foot lengths. The link I gave indicated the minimum quantity may vary with the product. For example, if the product is normally slit to 35mm for other uses, it may be possible to use motion picture perfs on less than the full wide roll quantity. Or 2000 feet of a 6000 foot wide roll may be slit and perforated. But I'm not in the production "flow" and marketing areas that need to set the rules and decide what is feasible (and profitable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Steelberg ASC Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 If you use it be VERY CAREFUL in your handling, loading, and unloading of the film. Make sure you tape all around the camera. Make sure you talk to people who have experience with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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