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Exactly!!! "Don't tell an actor how to act. Give him a KEY to what you need" There is no need to explain each step as in your examle with DOP!! And no need to tell final result also. Only KEY to this result! And to reach it - is an actor job. Thats what Weston trying to say. Dont tell "be funny" but CREATE funny circumstances. I think this is the best way to work with actors.

very strange opinion! "professional DOP knows how to shoot, actor - how to play, producer - how to produce etc etc...." So -what DIRECTOR do!? ;) If you want to have a good film, you must learn HOW to give playable tasks to actors!! Thats what Weston told you! If you speak a lot about "time is money" you MUST know how to get result quickly, realistic and ORIGINAL!!! "Original" - is the main word! And "result-oriented direction" is stupid because anybody can do this! This is waste of your money!!! By the way - giving playable tasks not depends on which method you choose! Method - is actors problem. p.s. If you think that your "time is money" read Stanislavsky, Chechov BEFORE giving advices at forums;)

For me - it was VERY interesting to know that in Hollywood there is no DIRECTORS shooting script as we have in our country. Look at this discussion and post: http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...st&p=186078 So! My question is - 1. what is the name of the document where filmdirector writes his ideas about camera angles ( (close-up, LS, etc) and 2. what is the name of the document where each scene have support info about using of the dolly, crane etc. It will be very nice if you have some links to these documents in html or pdf. Thank you!

Chris This is very interesting question. For me - the film is like a music - it is very important to feel the rhythm. When you shoot only one scene - you want to make it the most beautiful scene in your movie, so you are trying to push up the tempo. But it is a mistake, because directors job is to fill the whole movie, not only this episode. And maybe in the whole movie this scene should be a little bit slower. So. Duration is like a notes. You plan your "visual impacts". Anybody tell me - how you plan your movies? If not with directors script?

And in Movies!? Our directors script is useful because there is info about SHOTS (MS or LS etc), about duration (because dialogue rhythm depends from directors style), there are directors notes column, music and FX - and ALL this info at one page! Directors script is the main job before you starts the movie and it helps producer to understand your ideas, it helps to Supervisor or other members of creative team to understand what exactly you want from the film. Yes, it is not all info about the film, only basics but this is really "see your film before shooting", not just script with scene numbers. So. I am trying to understand - how Hollywood directors prepares for their films.

In theater? It is interesting. Maybe you have some scan examples or pdf? Hal Smith Thanks for your interest!! I think the script that Supervisor do - is a lined script. Am I right? Some sort of a script with strange looking:) vertical lines (like waves) with a lots of notes etc. About directors script. For me, it is really amazing that you dont have such kind of the script. I was sure that you have this (or near this form) because it comes to Russia exactly from Hollywood long time ago. It is really hard to work with usual script (with scene numbers) or with huge amount of technical notes at the stage for me. How you do it?! Directors script is useful. I made it from A4 paper (because it is europian standard) but you have a better way - legal paper format. It is bigger in width so you might use it also for storyboard or making bigger columns with ACTION and DIALOGUE. And I saw something like that not long ago when trying to find a software for filmdirectors. Look at this screenshot http://homepage.mac.com/directors_notebook.../pages/004.html Thats why I was sure that you have exactly this form in movies. So. How you plan your movie visually? Maybe you have your examples?

Here it is. This is very liberal translation to English. Excuse me for possible mistakes.

Maybe "form" is not a good word. (Excuse for my English) But cinema process is always a SYSTEM. Expecially in big movies. For example - scripts have format rules and nobody tells you that it is a "goverment bureau". It is also a creative process, isnt it?;) Chris. It would be nice if you tell me about your way or about ways you see from different directors. Maybe some pdf or link? And it would be nice if someone helps me to find what ways different directors use. Thank you. ps. By the way - the form that I post in previous message is also "for professionals" and it is really useful. It HELPS you to create. Maybe you have something better. This was my question.

Hello! I try to find directors shooting script example in the internet but find only: a ) screenplay (with scene numbers) b ) lined script c ) continuity script d ) and many other production documents... I have a question to professional filmmakers in Hollywood - do you have shooting script form for film directors!? In our country we have this form: http://www.screenwriter.ru/info/director.rar I try to translate columns from left to right: frame number / duration / storyboard (sometimes it is separate document)/ scene (like INT.ROOM-DAY)/ camera shot (LS, MLS, close-up with pan etc) / action / dialogue and FX / directors notes. Usually this is A4 page (album) with vertically columns with this names at the TOP of the page. And what do you have? Trying to find something similar but found only "camera shot list". But this is not directors script exactly. Thank you!

Dear Moderators! Please delete this post http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...st&p=179010 because the next is the same. I just fix the problem with the huge pictures! Thankyou p.s. Still waiting for advice about a book...

Where I can find a good professional book about PLANING film in details? The complete discussion is here http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...mp;#entry178940 ...but I post this question in general discussion because this info is not only for directors. Thank you!

David. Where I can find a good professional book about PLANING this process in details? With the guide - who is responsible and for what (pre-rig etc), about all these process that you just described (2 cameras, scouting locations, maybe examples of shooting plans etc). Thank you!

Thank you very much, David!! Some more questions (if you dont mind. This is very important for me!) 1. What is the best way to shoot this 3 points of view? a ) 2 cams side by side shooting only one hero: 1cam-1a, 2cam-1b? b ) 2 cams situated at opposite sides and shooting both heroes: 1cam- 1b, 2cam-2c (or something like that)? c ) just one camera shooting one hero -1a,1b etc (all points and then - another)? 2. How many takes for each shot? What do you think? 3. Storyboard is needed to plan all this or not? 4. You said about 360-light. When they correct it for closeups and something like that? The speed of shooting the modern Shows is great but quality of DOP is also good. How to shoot it in a such a quickly way? Maybe you know some good books for professionals about "planing and shooting primetime series"? Iam a filmdirector but in our country we have different traditions of shooting...so I need some material which helps me to PLAN all this dynamics.

Thank you very much, David!! Some more questions (if you dont mind. This is very important for me!) What is the best way to shoot this 3 points of view? a) 2 cams side by side shooting only one hero: 1cam-1a, 2cam-1b? B) 2 cams situated at opposite sides and shooting both heroes: 1cam- 1b, 2cam-2c (or something like that)? c) just one camera shooting one hero -1a,1b etc (all points and then - another)? 2. How many takes for each shot? What do you think? 3. Storyboard is needed to plan all this or not? 3. You said about 360-light. When they correct it for closeups and something like that? The speed of shooting the modern Shows is great but quality of DOP is also good. How to shoot it in a such a quickly way? Maybe you know some good books for professionals about "planing and shooting primetime series"? Iam a filmdirector but in our country we have different traditions of shooting...so I need some material which helps me to PLAN all this dynamics.

Hello! A little task for professional directors and very good lesson for me (I want to know - how many cameras - one camera or multi, they shoot one actor (closeup, middle shot) and then another actor or not etc). It would be great if you post here some sort of the DIRECTORs SHOOTING PLAN of these scene. For me -there is a simple scene for actors but many cuts and different shooting angles...so I want to know how to shoot all this optimal way - what to shoot first, and what - second. Thanks. p.s. This is scene from HEROES. Abstract scene. Please dont delete it. I post it only for studying!!!!

And Rabiger? Also for beginers? Thanks for books about "directing actors". Here, in Russia we have very famous Stanislavsky and Chehov theatre metodics. But there are no methods for working with actors in movies! No books or textbooks at all. And we havent any literature about multicameras. I know- this is a big problem for our filmmakers - how to organize several cameras at the stage and how to reach maximum results. Thats why - I ask you about it. I saw a film about "ABC LOST - Making a PILOT". Not a big budget or technologies, but very smart use of several cameras gives good result! So I want to know - how to place cameras not just "correctly for editing", but how to place them to reach superb results, dynamics! Maybe - you suggest good, modern and not simple books for the art of editing? Believe me - I have some experience as editor and director, but I want more, something like master-class. Thanks for your interest to this topic. And once again - excuse me for bad English.

to Mike Rizos Thank you! I just got Arijon book! It is very verynice! but for me - I think - first of all this book is for beginners. This is some sort of fundamental knowledge. But now I want a little bit more. "Shot by Shot" - is similar? And the sequel - Katz`s "Cinematic Motion"? What is the difference between his 2 books? And thanks for William Bayer!!! Ryan Bennett You right! I dont like books with simple formulas. But I think that my level is not so good for TVshows for example. So I try to find some info about multi-camera directing etc. Thank you very much for your advice!

Thank you! I have Arijon book! It is very nice, but for me - I think - this book is for beginners. This is some sort of fundamental knowledge but now I want a little bit more. "Shot by Shot" - is also that sort of a book? And the sequel - Katz`s "Cinematic Motion"? What is the difference between these 2 books?

Thank you for your advices, but I still need answers about my other questions: 3.!!! Camera movement in the scene. How to reach max dynamics. 5.!!! A multi-camera method of shooting. How cameras settle down? 7.!!! Director's technologies of shooting a primetime series, shows (as «LOST») and also these questions: 4. Director's «development» of a scene on known examples (famous films). 6. Work with the Art Director in film. How to achieve a picture without superfluous elements. What books tells about these topics? And, of course, is there any sites and forums expecially for film directors? Like cinematography.com for DOP?

Thanks for your quick answers! "Directing Actors" and "Directors Intuition" by Judith Weston are two different books. What is the difference between them? I should buy both? About Rabiger - I know, that he wrote about documentaries. And this book is about movies? My questions - from 3 to 7. In what books it is possible to read about it? Of course, my interest is in books not for beginners but for the advanced level. Where are these topics discussed in the Internet? Is there any sites for the film directors?

Hello! I have finished cinema institute in Russia as a film director. Id like not to stop my education and to adopt a wide experience of the American cinematographers. My question is: What books, textbooks are for the film directors already having some knowledge in given area? Especially interests: 1. Working with the actors in movie and all info about it. What actor's «system» the American actors work etc? 2. How to direct rehearsals with actors? 3. Shooting of dialogues. 3. Camera movement in the scene. How to reach dynamics in one scene. 4. Director's «development» of a scene on known examples (famous films). 5. A multi-camera method of shooting. How cameras settle down in action scenes? 6. Work with the Art Director in film. How to achieve a picture without superfluous elements. 7. Director's technologies of shooting a primetime series, shows (as «LOST»). I ask here, as we do not have American film-textbooks on sale - therefore before buying in internet, it would be desirable to know what of numerous books tell about the given themes most in detail. Excuse me for my bad English:) I shall be grateful to advice. Also I wish to learn, what sites can be esteemed on the given subjects. Thank you

Hello, friends! I search for the information and the literature on - how to shoot correctly with multi-camera method (especially battle scenes)..... 1. correct layout of cameras (arrangement - what to shoot - long-shot, close-up e.t.c.) 2. organization of shooting (sequence) For example - battle scenes in Lord of the Rings - may be you know?? Thank you (and sorry for my bad English:)

Hello, friends! I search for the information and the literature on - how to shoot correctly with multi-camera method (especially battle scenes)..... 1. correct layout of cameras (arrangement - what to shoot - long-shot, close-up e.t.c.) 2. organization of shooting (sequence) For example - battle scenes in Lord of the Rings - may be you know?? Thank you (and sorry for my bad English:)