Cesar Rubio

Using another camera some people call it "proof of concept"...to prove the quality of the sensor they have in mind to use in their own camera. But one thing is to use an existing camera system and another very different to make one form scratch. And especially from going funded to deliver in 6 months a finished product. Ikonoskop lasted like 3 years or so to finish their A-Cam with such Kodak 2/3" CCD sensor...and at $10K or so. The Sparta guys from Spain were working with the same sensor and they were aiming to deliver a complete camera for $5K...it seems they went belly up. Unless the Bolex D16 guys can built a quick system like I did at the beginning of 09, I don't think it will be delivered as promised. See my camera, it was the first 720/24p Uncompressed Raw camera system! (with a Sony 2/3" CCD sensor) 720/24p Uncompressed Raw Camera Ah and they need to apply a gamma curve in the camera, otherwise all the preview will look too dark straight from the sensor...and that means more power needed inside the camera. So if they are only aiming for the simplest system, this will be a huge problem shooting in interiors. CR.

Did you watch the video in my first post? People at DVXuser are saying that they used a Prosilica GX-2300c but they are wrong, the Bolex will have the 2/3" 1080p Kodak CCD sensor...found in the GE-1910c and GX-1910c Prosilicas. CR.

3-D pioneer Alan Derobe sadly passed away on March 13th of 2012. Two days ago. http://3dguy.tv/great-sadness-at-the-passing-of-3d-pioneer-alain-derobe/ Very sad news for the 3-D community. Two minutes of silence for a fellow Stereographer. Alain Derobe? PRESENT! CR.

I think this might be the first 2-D movie shot entirely with a MVC: I thinks that is a Prosilica GX-1910c camera.(1080/60p) http://www.alliedvisiontec.com/emea/products/cameras/gigabit-ethernet/prosilica-gx/gx1910.html That Kodak 2/3" CCD sensor produces some very nice images, I took these video (grabs) in January of 2010 with a Prosilica CE-1910c camera: (1080/30p) https://picasaweb.google.com/117102957642252969487/Kodak23CCDImages?authkey=Gv1sRgCP6E7dyDpov7dg CR.

Mr. Ekeren passed away on March 2nd of 2012. He was a great stereo camera system integrator and inventor of 3-D gear. He will be greatly missed. Here is his website and a picture of him working in his lab: http://www.ekeren3d.com/index.html He was from the Netherlands and was only 65 years old, too young still. Sadly another unfinished life... 2 minutes of silence for a fellow Stereographer. Co van Ekeren? PRESENT! CR.

Here is the second website offering my book: http://www.3dcenterusa.com/index.html See the link with it (in green). Thanks Ron Kriesel!

Here is the first website offering my book for download: http://www.stereoscopynews.com/references-links-books/books/2248-stereoscopic-3-d-cinema-by-cesar-rubio.html Thank you Benoit Michel!

I received some feedback that the Bayfiles site crash in the middle of the download , and I was suggested the Dropbox site instead. I hope this will be better for some. Here is the link: http://dl.dropbox.co...-D%20Cinema.pdf Thanks, Cesar Rubio. "It's the long term experience of problem solving that makes you successful! & what we do in life, echoes in eternity." "No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come." ― Victor Hugo

Hi all: You can download my book about Stereoscopic 3-D Cinema here: http://bayfiles.com/..._3-D_Cinema.pdf Thanks, Cesar Rubio.

Hi: I want to apologize if I offended someone with my search of the "perfect 3-D camera" that doesn't exist, and maybe it wont ever..what is "perfect" for me, might no be perfect for YOU... Sometimes we concentrate too much in things that we forget the people who are behind them, the MAKERS. For the most part they put all their heart and effort and maybe years of HARD work to make them possible...and if some one comes and "kill it" in just 30 seconds is NOT very funny is it? What I think WE ALL need is a school for Stereo 3-D, so we can figure this thing out ALL together...Camera makers SHOULD hire a few good experienced Stereographers when designing cameras...if they skip in that very IMPORTANT matter, then how can they make a good product of a complicated subject they don't know well? I've been in "3-D concentration camp" for almost a month now, and doing a LOT of thinking in the matter, I have reviewed my own work and the work of others as well.... And leaving "sides" aside...I think I now better what I like now. PLEASE DON'T take it as an offense if I don't mention your product...after all they are PERSONAL preferences not BIG deal right? I like the SinaCAM for 3-D TV productions for a faster workflow and size of the cameras, and the Indie POV for 3-D Cinema...like its own name reflects is intended for Indie 3-D producers, I like that system very much. The CinemaDNG Uncompressed workflow is very promising... http://www.indiecam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Itemid=65 In the fixed lenses cameras, believe it or not I like the Fuji W3, with a 1/50th Rule for your nearest point you can record almost everything with the 35mm-105mm (FF35mm equivalent). From around 4 mts away...but obviously the f4 max aperture is not good for interiors nor that long distance in small places, but for exterior work and the beginner Sterographer is a good choice for practicing... The Lumiere 3-D having a 65mm SB are good too..with the same distance limitations of course. In the Beam splitter camp I like the CPG rig that they showed with two Alexa-M's and the Arri-Fuji zooms at IBC 2011...it looks very good... There are others 3-D rigs that I like too, but I will leave it at that, at the end what IT MATTERS is the FINAL product not so much what tools you used...you can use MANY to achieve what YOU want. My best wishes for 2012 for ALL. 3-D camera manufacturers and STEREOGRAPHERS . Cesar Rubio.

Some one made an interesting “experiment” (I am glad that I am not the only “crazy” here...:-)) Here are the pics: https://picasaweb.google.com/117102957642252969487/CurveAdjustments?authkey=Gv1sRgCLPcxa3wyJvrfw He made this comment: “Notice the lack of many values of gray in the 8 bit version? The 8 bit file contains only 74 "shades"(a lot missing in the shadows), while the 16 bit has retained all 255. I can see differences in the resulting tifs. They are subtle....but visible.” And this was my response: -Good Job “X”! See how "experimenting" leads to great discoveries? :-) But any how, I still prefer Uncompressed Raw 8 bit than Compressed Raw at higher bit depth...I need to make a comparison test about this sometime in the future. (I've already done it in the past, but I need to make another one with newer cameras, and make it public...) I need to get the original Uncompressed Raw/RGB files to make a more accurate assessment of the situation. Regardless of that, if you shoot properly exposed footage, you don't really NEED to do heavy editing like in this particular case... CR.

BTW the Raw 16 file is actually 14 bit, not 16 bit. The Pike F-210c camera only has a 14 bit A/D CR.

Uncompressed Raw 8 vs 16 TEST: I am not at home currently, and the only files I could find comparing Uncompressed Raw 8 vs 16 are these Tiff files. (note that even the 16 bit is double in size than the 8 bit) You can download them here: Raw-8: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YR61JDTR Raw-16: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SRLH0Z96 Alternately I have uploaded them in Picasa, the 8 bit is a Jpeg file, while the 16 bit is PNG: https://picasaweb.go...CNL19qDrxJ-f6QE The files info say they were created in 2002, but it's wrong, I recorded them like 3 years ago or so...(don't remember exactly) After my comparison tests (and to make sure) I contacted Norpix (creators of Streampix DVR software) and asked them if they could perform a similar test...they did it and their "verdict" was the same as mine. NO VISUAL DIFFERENCE in both. Right now I don't have a camera with me to make a new comparison test, but it occurs to me that it would be even better if YOU can do your own tests...how? Even though it would not be precisely "the same" it'd be interesting to perform and you might learn a thing or two in the process.. If you have a DSLR pro camera, you can take some Uncompressed Raw pictures (normally they will be 12 bit, but there are some cams that can do even more like 14 bit) Then open your files (I use Photoshop CS4 or Lightroom) and save them to Uncompressed TIFF 8 bit and 16 bit. Re-open those two Tiff files again and compare them...do heavy color correction...do you see a visual difference in both? CR.

Some one contacted me off-line regarding my claim that 8 bit capture is all what you need for Cinema in another forum. Since this might be of general interest too, I will include part of my reply to that person here as well: “Regarding 8 bit capture, recording Uncompressed Raw and then debayering to Uncompressed RGB (24 bit) is all that you need. I have made comparison test between Uncompressed Raw/RGB 8/24, 12/36 and even 16/48 bit digital capture, and film scans (saved to Uncompressed TIFF) and found NO visible difference....only the larger files is what you will end up with. When recording with compression, yes higher color bit depth has a huge and noticeable impact in final Image Quality, the less I would go using compression would be Compressed Raw 12 bit.” -I forgot to mention to him the problem that someone mentioned regarding the Canon C300 color banding issue in another thread on the same forum..I already mentioned in that thread that in those circumstances (open Sky capture) higher bit depth capture/codec might be useful too...but even in those circumstances, recording Uncompressed Raw 8 bit, I never saw color banding either... Thanks, CR.

Ok, this is the closets I could find to the recorder I want for a Vision Stereo 3-D system: (DVR Express Mobile) http://www.ioindustr...ts/systems.html It can do dual 3K/48p Uncompressed Raw 8 bit recordings (to external SSD's)...is ALL what I need for 3-D Cinema! Now, the still "missing link" are the cameras...next year there will be S35mm 4K MVC's available, I would "window" the sensors to get 3K resolution and a 4/3" format size (approximately). Regarding the DVR Express Mobile, these are the specs: Dimensions Width x Height x Depth: 12.4" x 9.7" x 4.2" (316 x 247 x 106 mm) Weight: 6.2 lbs (2.8 kg) And the scree resolution is only 800 x 600 pxs, so those numbers need to be improved yet. Smaller size for the recorder, and more resolution for the screen....besides the price that needs to drop! (but that will only happen if enough demand is there...) For the time being, the IO Industries DVR Core (Dual Base) costing 3 times less, and a laptop is a better choice: http://www.ioindustr...ducts/core.html CR.

I forgot the name of the system: VISION STEREO 3-D SYSTEM CR.

BRAND: Open MODEL: D&A R-3D? (Dual camera heads + DVR) SPECIFICATIONS: Camera Heads: -33mm wide -Sensor: -CCD or CMOS with Global Shutter -Diagonal layout of photosites -5.5um (microns) pixel size -2/3" format size -Resolution and Frame Rate: 4K/1-60p (4096 x 2160 1 to 60 fps). Optional 4K/96-360 fps to external recorder for slow-mo (depending on camera interface) -Color Depth: 8 and 12 bit Bayer -Sensitivity: ISO/ASA 640+ at 0dB -Dynamic Range: 60 dB+ -Camera Interface: Camera Link (full), CoaxPress, Firewire 3200, USB-3, 3G-SDI, Fibre Channel or Thunderbolt Lenses: -2/3" C-mount -Resolving power: 5-10MP -30-32 mm in diameter max. -f1.4/f1.8-f16/22 -Manual Focus -Focal Lengths: 8/8.5mm,16mm and 25mm Digital Video Recorder: (DVR) -Dimensions 6x3x2 (width,height,depth) (ideal target size) -Display: Touchscreen 5×2.6 inches (if previous DVR size) -Display Resolution: At least 1280 x 720 pxs, but 1080p/2K would be the ideal target -Display modes, side by side, individual side with digital zoom focusing aid (maybe with auto-stereoscopic mode as well) -Uncompressed Raw (8 and 12 bit Bayer recording mode) Recording media: -Dual Solid State Disks -Stereo Audio Recording (with level control) input/output DVR Software: -Start-Stop Recording/Playback modes -Raw display mode (Black & White), Color mode if the the CPU-GPU power is available, but is not necessary IMO. -White Balance: Auto,3200K,5600K. -Gamma: Custom (via color remapping) -Gain Control: 0-18 dB -Shutter Speed: 1/48th, 1/60th and Custom -AOI/ROI (Area/Region of Interest) for custom resolution and aspect ratios -Custom frame rates -Color depth choices of 8 or 12 bit Bayer -Time stamp frame (time code) -Image Flip (when using Beam Splitters) -Audio recording monitoring -Full de-bayering/demosaicing adjustments/options in editing computer, with Uncompressed RGB (AVI or MOV) and other video compression codecs export (when available in computer) CR. It's the long term experience of problem solving that makes you successful! & what we do in life,echoes in eternity.

Ok ladies and gentlemen, here is my proposal for a 3-D Cinema camera system...I know, I know, it's NOT "perfect" either, but I think it's PRACTICAL for the time being... The post is almost 7000 words, rather LOOOONG, but sometimes in order to find a "treasure" you have to DIG deep. You have two choices to read it, in Blogspot or WordPress: http://dna-rubio-3d....3-d-system.html http://dnarubio3d.wo...reo-3-d-system/ Thanks, Cesar Rubio. Cambridge, Wisconsin USA. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

So no comments hum? Yes, I understand that it's rather difficult to comment in such a delicate issue like this one. I started this 3-D project "alone" (but later on got help from many software and hardware engineers in the MVC's industry) and it seems I will take the consequences from it all alone too. It's just like when we start in life, we come alone (for the most part, except when twins and others are born almost at the same time) and we must depart the same way...alone and naked. I made a few mistakes in my previous post (like many in my whole life), and I cannot edit the post...just like I cannot "edit" or change my story either... Here is a reviewed one (as they are in my blogs). Probably it will still have many errors as English is a second language for me, even in Spanish I make orthography errors all the time ;-) CR. I've been testing out Sony Vegas 11 for 3-D editing...and I could easily resume my impressions in a single word: WOW! That $550 USD (upgrade is only $150) software will change the game of 3-D movie editing forever! You can do anything you need to do in a 3-D editing environment. It'll take any resolution, any frame rate and almost any video codec in the market. And it will do it as a "good boy" silent and without complaining a thing about it...:-) It'll just get the job done. Period. I can see many guys in the industry scratching their heads with Vegas 11...good bye to your expensive and "proprietary" "Hollywood level" 3-D NLE's... Where is Sony Vegas from? Madison Wisconsin (at least their headquarters are there). One very famous and well known Cinematographer in Hollywood, once told me that in Wisconsin there were only cows and people only made cheese there. Well he was right about one thing, Wisconsin produces the best cheese in the USA! He is the guy that you can"Ask ANYTHING"...anything about 2-D that is, because of 3-D he doesn't have a clue (at least he didn't back then in 07)... When I started my MVC's 3-D project and forum (davidrubio3d.com) he said that I could not be "real", that it was impossible for a single guy to work on such project, and that I was a BIG" corporation" using Cesar Rubio as a "facade"....or something like that, but that's the main idea. Anyways, I saw him in September of 2009 while I was visiting the CBS studios in Los Angeles CA. He was doing a production there...I approached him and offered my hand as a salute, and introduce myself . I said: Hi: "D" I am Cesar Rubio, now you know that I am REAL. He was very surprised and kind of in shock to see me...I think that he wasn't sure of what my next move would be... We talked for a little bit (he was having food being served to him and ready for lunch, so I did not wanted to be in his way for too long...you know EATING is first, before anything or anybody...:-) He wished me luck with my project and I left. So him and I are "OK" now...good, there is nothing better in this life than to make peace and win over your "enemies", like some one very famous said once. Now a days most people don't read History or care much about it, it seems... I'll give you a short "ride" in 3-D History regarding Wisconsin... 1865 Wisconsin Dells WI. USA. When Mr. H.H Bennett opened his first photography Studio in Wisconsin Dells. That man revolutionized stereo photography forever. His work and techniques are the basis for many 3-D Photographers and Cinematographers. He was a straight guy, parallel shooter, side by side, 1/30th rule. NO BS! If you want to learn how to do 3-D properly, study Mr. Bennett's techniques and admire his beautiful stereo work. Then when you make your first Million bucks with your 3-D Cinematography work, please donate 1/30th of that to his H.H. Bennett Museum (that is struggling to survive, and if it wasn't for the Wisconsin State government, it would be closed by now) 1947 Milwaukee Wisconsin USA. The David White Camera Company introduced the best selling stereo photography camera of all time, the venerable Stereo Realist! I don't really know if modern 3-D digital camera manufacturers (still or video) are aware of the Stereo Realist, or know a thing about stereo at all! What's that with some new cameras having 10mm Stereo Base? I just can't believe it, it's beyond my comprehension and it's almost like a sub real nightmare that I want to wake up from! 2006 Cambridge Wisconsin USA. The introduction of the first MVC's 3-D system. Such system was the basics of other 3-D systems that came later on... Machine Vision Cameras are used now in Motion Capture 3-D and Stop Motion 3-D movies all over the world. And sorry guys if this sounds like I am "bragging", I am not. I just want to "straight" things out for the record. I spent like $50K USD in such project, and thousands of hours in research, tests and unpaid work, time that I probably should have spent with my kids and my wife instead... Did I ever received recognition from my work, or even a "thank you" note from anybody in Hollywood? NOPE. Will I ever? I doubt it. Instead of that, there are powerful forces that wants to "silence" me....and probably they will succeeded soon. They have been trying for more than 2 years now...and they are getting close to achieve their goal. But you know what? I WON! Yeap. I could only sell one of my MVC's 3-D systems, to a guy from New York city. That is the most important sell a company could ever make in it's history. The number ONE. I will be forever grateful with that man who trusted in me and my work. He now is one of my best friends. Josh Klatt. Thank you man, you rock and you are a super talented Stereographer! I only wish that my kids can admire your 3-D work one day in the BIG Screen! Here, you can still read about my MVC's 3-D project: www.davidrubio3d.com/MVC's for 3-D There are some MVC's manufacturers that will introduce new 4K cameras next year. Will I be there to see it? I don't really think I will. But I don't have too. I already SAW the future of 3-D movie making 5 years ago... Such cameras will change the Digital 3-D Cinematography movie making forever. Uncompressed Raw, at least 65mm Ortho Stereo Base for a side by side configuration. What else do you need? Heck, you only need 3K Bayer resolution for a 2K Cinema delivery... I think that the "perfect" 3-D digital camera system was already invented in 2006. At least the basics for it. Now the work is for you guys to carry on and make improvements. Don't let anyone rob you of your ideal of pursuing your dreams. If you want to make a 3-D movie, go get a Fuji W3 and start making your own tests in your "backyard"... I was laughing very much the other day when someone mentioned that with today's technology even a "fat girl from Ohio" could make a 3-D movie! LOL While it sounds funny, it's TRUE! ;-) Well, it was a good ride all along, I had my fun along the way and enjoy it. Like John Lennon said in one of his songs..."Life is what happens to you while you are busy making other plans." My final advice to you (taken from the 300 movie) NEVER SURRENDER! Cesar Rubio. Cambridge, Wisconsin USA.

This is going to be a rather lengthy post, but it will be my last here, so please "bear with me" if you will...I've been testing out Sony Vegas 11 for 3-D editing...and I could easily resume my impressions in a single word: WOW! That $550 USD (upgrade is only $150) software will change the game of 3-D movie editing forever! You can do anything you need to do in a 3-D editing environment. It'll take any resolution, any frame rate and almost any video codec in the market. And it will do it as a "good boy" silent and without complaining a thing about it...:-) It'll just get the job done. Period. I can see many guys in the industry scratching their heads with Vegas 11...good bye to your expensive and "proprietary" "Hollywood level" 3-D NLE's... Where is Sony Vegas from? Madison Wisconsin (at least their headquarters are there). One very famous and well known Cinematographer in Hollywood, once told me that in Wisconsin there were only cows and people only made cheese there. Well he was right about one thing, Wisconsin produces the best cheese in the USA! He is the guy that you can"Ask ANYTHING"...anything about 2-D that is, because of 3-D he doesn't have a clue (at least he didn't back then in 07)... When I started my MVC's 3-D project and forum (davidrubio3d.com) he said that I could not be "real", that it was impossible for a single guy to work on such project, and that I was a big "corporation" using Cesar Rubio as a "facade"....or something like that, but that's the main idea. Anyways, I saw him in September of 2009 while I was visiting the CBS studios in Los Angeles CA. He was doing a production there...I approached him and offered my hand as a salute, and introduce myself . I said: Hi: "D" I am Cesar Rubio, now you know that I am REAL. He was very surprised and kind of in shock to see me...I think that he wasn't sure of what my next move will be... We talked for a little bit (he was having food being served to him and ready for lunch, so I did not wanted to be in his way for too long...you know EATING is first, before anything or anybody...:-) He wished me luck with my project and I left. So him and I are "OK" now...good, there is nothing better in this life than to make peace and win over your "enemies", like some one very famous said once. Now a days most people don't read History or care much about it seems... I'll give you a short "ride" in 3-D History regarding Wisconsin... 1875 Wisconsin Dells WI. USA. When Mr. H.H Bennett opened his photography Studio in Wisconsin Dells. That man revolutionized stereo photography forever. His work and techniques are the basis for many 3-D Photographers and Cinematographer. He was straight guy, parallel shooter, side by side, 1/30th rule. NO BS! If you want to learn how to do 3-D properly, study Mr. Bennett's techniques and admire his beautiful stereo work. Then when you make your first Million bucks with your 3-D Cinematography work, please donate 1/30th of that to his H.H. Bennett Museum (that is struggling to survive, and if it wasn't for the Wisconsin State government, it would be closed by now) 1947 Milwaukee Wisconsin USA. The David White Camera Company introduced the best selling stereo photography camera of all time, the venerable Stereo Realist! I don't really know if modern 3-D digital camera manufacturers (still or video) are aware of the Stereo Realist, or know a thing about stereo at all! What's that with some new cameras having 10mm Stereo Base? I just can believe it, it's beyond my comprehension and it's almost like a sub real nightmare that I want to wake up from! 2006 Cambridge Wisconsin USA. The introduction of the first MVC's 3-D system. Such system was the basics of other 3-D systems that came later on... Machine Vision Cameras are used now in Motion Capture 3-D and Stop Motion 3-D movies all over the world. And sorry guys if this sounds like I am "bragging", I am not. I just want to "straight" things out for the record. I spent like $50K USD in such project, and thousands of hours in research, tests and unpaid work, time that I probably should have spent with my kids and my wife instead... Did I ever received recognition from my work, or even a "thank you" note from anybody in Hollywood? NOPE. Will I ever? I doubt it. Instead of that, there are powerful forces that wants to "silence" me....and probably they will succeeded soon. They have been trying for more than 2 years now...and they are getting close to achieve their goal. But you know what? I WON! Yeap. I could only sell one of my MVC's 3-D systems, to a guy from New York city. That is the most important sell a company could ever make in it's history. The number ONE. I will be forever grateful with that man who trusted in me and my work. He now is one of my best friends. Josh Klatt. Thank you man, you rock and you are a super talented Stereographer! I only wish that my kids can admire your 3-D work one day in the BIG Screen! Here, you can still read about my MVC's 3-D project: www.davidrubio3d.com/MVC's for 3-D There are some MVC's manufacturers that will introduce new 4K cameras next year. Will I be there to see it? I don't really think I will. But I don't have too. I already SAW the future of 3-D movie making 5 years ago... Such cameras will change the Digital 3-D Cinematography movie making forever. Uncompressed Raw, at least 65mm Ortho Stereo Base for a side by side configuration. What else do you need? Heck, you only need 3K Bayer resolution for a 2K Cinema delivery... I think that the "perfect" 3-D digital camera system was already invented in 2006. At least the basics for it. Now the work is for you guys to carry on and make improvements. Don't let anyone rob you of your dreams. If you want to make a 3-D movie, go get a Fuji W3 and start making your own tests in your "backyard"... I was laughing very much the other day when someone mentioned that with today's technology even a "fat girl from Ohio" could make a 3-D movie! LOL While it sounds funny, it's TRUE! ;-) From now on I will "take it home", and whatever comes next I will post it in my blogs. Here I will only reply to existing topics that I have already started, or if some one asks for my input. Thank you very much to the owner of this forum, Tim Tyler and all the moderators for your excellent work in this board of Cinematography exchange of information, and for being against "censorship" in all it's forms. Tim is running one of the best sources for Cinematography in the world, that is free of "fan boys" for the most part and of biased opinions. I wish this excellent board to continue to be one of the best sources for Cinematographers (and aspiring ones like myself) and be one of the single best sources for "reason" in the Cinema world. To keep things in balance and in "perspective".... I've been in a kind of a "hurry" for the past month or so...and I wanted to "spited it out" all what I had inside me...while I still could...thanks God I succeed in that too. I don't have much else to offer anyways, I am just an "average Joe" and a "nobody" in the movie making industry... The only two things that I think are really important for you to see, is a comparison test I did comparing Uncompressed Raw/RGB at 8,12 and 16 bit. I saw no difference at all....or what I could visible care anyhow. 8 bit Uncompressed it's just fine. And some test I did years ago comparing 24, 30,48 and 60 frames with True PROGRESSIVE capture. I don't think anybody could do that back then with the cameras of that time..anyhow it's interesting too see and compare the "feel" of the different frame rates. But like I've already said, it will be in my blogs. Not that I want to "drive" traffic to them. I don't care for that, and I will never put advertising in them just like I never did with my forum (that reached 2 million pages views in a little bit more than 3 years of it's existence) Well at least no from my part, but I don't know what Google or Wordpress might have in the "cooking" for free hosted blogs in the future... Well, it was a good ride all along, I had my fun along the way and enjoy it. Like John Lennon said in one of his songs..."Life is what happens to us while we are making other plans." My final advice to you (taken from the 300 movie) NEVER SURRENDER! Cesar Rubio. Cambridge Wisconsin USA. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

And you know what else.... Since this thread is focused on 3-D, there is more to add about regarding resolution. 3-D as is projecting double images at the same time, increases resolution at about 1.5 times. And higher frame rates, like 48fps or even 60fps increases the perceived resolution even further.... So we are just "fine" with 2K resolution for regular 3-D Cinema...for still a good time to come. The most powerful single 3-D projectors out there can only handle 2k at 60 fps max....and NOT all Cinemas have them yet as they are very expensive! Cesar Rubio. Wisconsin & L.A. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

You are right John. Probably we should leave such detailed comparison tests to Geoff Boyle or Phil Bloom... But in all my experience watching and playing with video content, I can almost warranty you that my conclusions are pretty close to the real deal... Mathematics and physics never lie.. Thanks, Cesar Rubio. Wisconsin & L.A. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

Agreed Freya. For regular Cinema screens(35 feet wide) we need at least true 1080p/2K resolution. (IMAX is another different beast...) That's why for me, I will settle for that resolution and start looking for other important things in a camera to make a beautiful image, like higher dynamic range, higher base ISO/ASA at 0db with little or no noise and uncompressed Capture And yes, most people still watch at home everything in DVD...SD def! In most video stores, the Blu-ray selections is very little in comparison to DVD's....so for the time being standard definition is not going anywhere anytime soon! Anyways, most people don't care much about resolution, but good content in movies they watch. Story is still king! Cesar Rubio. Wisconsin & L.A. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

Ok, given the recent hype about camera output resolutions and different companies approaching it differently, here is my take on the matter. At first I am going to talk purely about output resolutions in cameras, and not compression, that is another important subject too, but to simplify things we are going to assume that all cameras record Uncompressed for the best IQ (Image Quality) The first approach for resolution in professional cameras was, and still is in the broadcasting world, the use of 3 sensor cameras. This is TRUE resolution. Comparable to a film scan where you sample every RGB (Red-Green-Blue) color in every "pixel". Then later on the single Bayer sensor showed up in the professional camera market. The sensor samples resolution and color in a different way, and "interpolates" or "guesses" the missing information while debayering the image. See here for more info about Bayer sensors: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Bayer_filter Out of this approach, newer Bayer sensor cameras like the Sony F65 and Canon C300 samples the Bayer sensor resolution 1/4", or every single color pixel to give a "true" final resolution output (no interpolation here). So lets compare the 3 examples: I would rate the 3 sensors cameras and the Bayer ¼ individual color sampling ratio as the same resolution. That is, a 1080p 3 sensors camera will give you the same resolution as an Quad-HDp (3840x2160 pxs) sensor camera outputting a final 1080p (1920x 1080 pxs) resolution...like the Canon C300 for example. A 1080p Bayer sensor camera would give you a true 1/4" resolution if its doing the interpolation on "the fly" or in real time...or a true 960x540 pxs final resolution. BUT, the "magic" on the Bayer sensor works in a good (read=slow) quality debayering in post to give you a "higher" resolution. Using the best debayering settings, I get an "increase" of X1.5 times the final true resolution. That's why I rate a 1080p Bayer sensor camera resolution as being as a "true" 720p one (1280x720 pxs) instead of the 540p (960x540 pxs) that really is. So in order for a Single Bayer sensor camera to compete with 3 sensors or a Bayer ¼ sampling, we need 1.5 times more resolution that the intended final resolution. The Alexa camera having a 2880x1620 pxs single Bayer sensor, and output that resolution in Raw mode, will give you a "clean" 1080p final resolution when you downsample the footage in post after debayering it. In conclusion: The Canon C300, and the Arri Alexa will give you about the same final resolution when used in the highest recording settings. The Scarlet in 4K capture, will give you a 2.7K true resolution (2730x1440 pxs) so it wins in the final resolution output over the C300 and the Alexa. But in the compression department, the Alexa wins when recording Arriraw (Uncompressed Raw), followed by the Scarlet and at the end is the Canon C300 camera. Pick what is important for you, final resolution vs compression, and you can make an easy decision what camera system is the best suited for your needs and workflow. Thanks, Cesar Rubio. Wisconsin & L.A. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/

Regarding the "certain degree" of compression in a previous post, I mean like 3:1 (three to one) compression TOPS. Either Cineform 444 or MJPEG-2 at full 100% quality will give you that compression ratio. Cesar Rubio. Wisconsin & L.A. http://dna-rubio-3d.blogspot.com/ http://dnarubio3d.wordpress.com/