I'm amazed at the aggression towards Red in this forum. Sure there are fanboys making unreasonable claims - but that's an everyday occurrence in every forum on the net. Is it the possibility of change that angers some? If you don't like the hype, don't read it. Most, if not all, reasonable people can see hype for what it is. However, it is undeniable that the camera has made a massive impact in the marketplace. It has become a useful tool for many film makers including Steven Soderberg and Peter Jackson. Some of Hollywood's biggest stars are allowing their image to be captured by this $17,500 camera without complaint. It has far out-sold high-end offerings from Arri/Aaton/Sony/Panasonic combined. At times, this forum reeks of film snobbery - with the most offensive comments being made by unknown, self-proclaimed "professional" shooters. This thread was supposed to be about films using the Red cam but it quickly descended into an attack/defend technology thread. If the net was available at the time of the "flat" vs. "round" world discussion, the threads would probably parallel this one in their descent into the ridiculous.