Freya Black

Hiya, I was wondering how much it would cost to make say a 1 minute, or even a 100 ft print with optical sound. I'm in the u.k. but I welcome replies from anywhere to get a rough idea. If you do actually do this kind of thing in the u.k. or have any knowledge of it, (recommended labs etc), then please do chip in too! :) As an aside, I also wondered about titles, although I assume it would be a lot cheaper to shoot them myself during filming! Thanks in advance for all your help! love Freya

I think one of the 6 inch lenses is coated, maybe both. They all have focussing numbers printed on them, is this the difference between focussable and non focusable lenses? Nobody has heard of Carl Meyer then? Coincidently I have a carl Meyer lens on my filmo too! I heard that some people liked uncoated lenses for a different look?!! Presumably the Eyemax lenses were made by different people at different times (whoever B&H were pals with at the time!). Is there any way to know who made what eyemax lens? love Freya Well yeah, I understand what you're saying but I just got so bored with just shooting on my cooke S4's all the time so I just put them out with the trash and got these Eyemo lenses instead. Hopefully now I will have a whole new look! ;) Out with the new, in with the old... love Freya

I think leaving it in the fridge migt be a good idea, you might even want to make sure you have it all in sealable plastic freezer bags or whatever they are called, when in the fridge. I must say that I had a disaster one day where I probably tried to overfill my tiny freezer and the door popped open in the night. Obviously the freezer started to defrost and there was water everywhere and it was very scary. I was so glad that I only had factory sealed cans and that they were all wrapped in that extra plastic layer. I don't even want to think about the possibilities otherwise. eeek! love Freya

But the focussing mount was a part of the actual camera? love Freya

If it is a making of video, then they may be in situations where they have no idea where the dialogue will be coming from, because there will just be random people on the set talking or general set sounds. To capture this sort of sound they may well use an omni as you suggest because it is less directional and will pick up the sound of everything thats going on. If you are making a recording where you mostly know who is going to speak and where and where people tend to speak one at a time then a shotgun will be better specifically because you can use the pattern of the mike to try and eliminate the sounds of the camera or even the sounds the crew are making because it's only a take for sound and the camera isn't running! ;) love Freya

I thought it must be like that as all the lenses seem the same in this regard. I suppose it is a good way of doing things as it must save money in the lens manufacture. It made me wonder about a system where the camera might even have its own apeture and you just stuck a bit of glass on the front! ;) Then again, there is a lens behined the apeture too of course. love Freya

I have an Ilex cinemat 75mm F2.9 (A metric eyemo lens! Does this mean it's more recent?) A Carl Meyer Cine Telephoto 6 inch F4.5 (who are Carl Meyer?) An EyeMax Telephoto Type V 6 inch F4.5 An Eyemax 2 inch F2.8 lens love Freya

Lots of people freeze film, and it's supposed to not be a problem if you have sealed cans and keep the moisture away, as kodak seal the cans in a special humidity free environment. Of course if you have re-cans or short ends then the cans may not be sealed properly and the conditions inside may be the same as whatever was in there when the film was last canned! love Freya

Hiya Joshua! I took a look at your little picture and I found the whole thing facinating! I recently had someone make me a little hand crank for my anceint Ensign 16mm camera. I was shocked to find that as well as hand cranking, the clockwork motor also worked after all these years! I bought it from ebay for £1 and most peoples comments were that it looked like it had been lying in a muddy ditch since the '30's! ;) I didn't have a cranking handle and only expected to be able to hand crank it. One thing that mystifies me, and perhaps you have this problem too, but how do you know what speed you are cranking at????!!! :) I had a funny idea today. Wouldn't it be wild to connect this up somehow to the part of a crystal sync unit that detects when the motor is at crystal sync sped, then you could practice trying to keep the light on! Lol! Maybe it would be on so briefly you would never see it but I like the idea! I notice in your design that you have added outboard gearing. I assume this is so you can get higher speeds. Is this because it is hard to crank that fast normally or something to do with the actual internals of the camera? Did you have to actually convert the camera itself or did you just replace the motor and make a new motor rod to interface to the hole in the camera? ...and lastly, doesn't the arri have any kind of governer, or is perhaps the governer a part of the motor unit? love Freya

I have come into possesion of a few lenses for an eyemo, but sadly do not own an eyemo myself. Can anyone explain to me how the lens mount works? It appears to me from the lenses I have that perhaps focussing might be partly a function of the mount itself, as I can't work out how focusing works looking at the lenses. Can anyone tell me more about the lenses for the eyemo cameras generally? Your own experiences etc? In fact any information is good! ;) love Freya

In a bathtub! For 20 years! I hope that they also had a shower! ;) Seriously tho, do you know what the bathtub was filled with? Surely not water? If it was reversal, wasn't overexposing 1 stop a problem? love Freya

Yay! Cinematography is dead! Long live Cinematography! Really looking forward to all the freaky cooke lens movies myself. Sounds wonderful! :) Where do I sign up? love Freya

Don't forget Phil, that the poster may not be based in rip off England, and so they might be able to get a high quality transfer at flying spot of seattle or some other high quality telecine place (I bet the people stateside could recommend a lot of places) and it wouldn't be that much, but it would still be a chunk of change I'm sure. love Freya

fomapam www.foma.cz and there is also Orwo too I think? love Freya

Well good results is a matter of taste of course and probably many people would say that sticking it in coke, running it through a camera and scratching into it were not likely to produce good results either, but I think it will be fun to try! So sounds like I've got the fix sorted then, maybe lemon coke will be even more acidy! ;) So coffee to develop, coke to fix, we are close to a totally caffine powered film! ;) love Freya

It's got to be something horrible. Maybe it will end up with a brown base! ;) Whatever I do with it I'm sure it will be fun! :) love Freya

Yes that's the stuff! Although I thought it was replaced by an EXR stock first???? Someone was telling me it was a different process which wouldn't be as good because obviously it would be harder for me to play with. I certainly intend to shoot some of it in a camera. I was thinking of experimenting with running it ithrough a contact printer, creating photograms, and maybe dipping it in coca-cola or coffee or something. ;) Is it polyester based? I assume it's no good as leader? I'll probably think of some other bad things to do with it in time! ;) I think I'll have to wait for the sumer to shoot it tho! ;) Thanks ever so much for the fast reply. love Freya

Can anyone tell me what process eastman 7243 is? love Freya

Sorry yes it's an internegative. I didn't mean to suggest you could make prints directly with it but that's probably the way my post sounded. You say this would be no use for 7240 tho? Kodak are suggesting it to make internegs from 7240 on their site, is this just cause they have the formulation and figured it would do for 7240 now there is no ekta commercial do you think? love Freya

Testing the camera is really good advice, I worked on a shoot once which was an overnight shoot in a castle. They had built little sets and everything. they had costumes and arranged lighting. It was great. Sadly they were shooting on a K3. A day before the shoot a control came off the K3 and it was unusable, but it was ok because the guy had 2 of them. Except he hadn't tested the other camera, and the day of the shoot came and the camera kept jamming. I did offer the use of my camera but nobody took me up on it. Turned out it wasn't just jamming, because nothing was on the film, not even soft images. I should say that I was boming the mike and apparetly the sound was great. ;) Anyway no film and a lot of people were not happy, although I was happy because I got to hang out in a castle all night and eat cookies and stuff with a bunch of people. I thought it was kind of like a camping holiday but other people were not so taken. Anyway it would have been good to have tested all the cameras. love Freya

I just went away and looked it up and came across something called 7272 as well which can make prints from 7240. Is this film still available? It's even ECN2! I've got a feeling there is a load of 7240 in my freezer at the moment. Maybe I could make prints from it! Of course it might be hard to find a lab that will do wierd stuff like that (not to mention process the VNF altho I know a lab that will do it in E6) and thats 3 sets of film in both cases using weird processes. Do you think it would be cheaper to just shoot ECN-2 neg and make prints that way? It's an interesting possibility I can think of all sorts of unmentionable advantages to doing things that way however! ;) love Freya

I'm just wondering if it is possible to still create 16mm prints in B&W from reversal footage, for example TRI-X? I know this isn't possible for colour reversal anymore but can it be done for black and white or is Plus-X neg the only real way to go now for this kind of thing? love Freya

I have some c mount extension tubes and I'm wondering how to use them basically. Does the length of the tube increase the macro magnification? Are some focal lengths better for macro work than others? I notice that with the tiniest macro tube I have I can get lenses to fit my filmo that wouldn't fit before. How far will the foccusing reach with the extra ring (I think it is 5mm) I'm open to any information on this subject as I'm preety inexperienced with them. love Freya

Depends what you do to screw up if you are shooting neg and you get your meter readings off then they might be able to fix it in post, same with issues of colour temperature. If you forget to take the lens cap off you could rewind the film in complete darkness and do the whole shoot again on the unexposed film. If you expose your film to bright light probably not. If you screw up badly enough then it can't be fixed. but then that is true of DV too really. What exactly are you planning on screwing up anyway, or aren't you sure yet. What filmstock are you planiing to screw up on, What shooting conditions are you planning to screw up in? What camera are you screwing up on with which lenses? More information is needed before anyone can tell you how to screw up really badly I think. love Freya

*giggle* I knew we had a live one. I was thinking of giving you a shout when he started about the british rental companies. I was thinking "where is Phil, this is totally his kind of thread!" ;) Ah Britain, the cool reshreshing bracing air .... love Freya