Leo has it right, the Super Baltars were made for spinning mirror cameras, i.e. Mitchell 35mm and Cinema Products 35mm cameras. The Baltars, no super, were for rack over cameras, the early Mitchells. The two classes of lenses, Super and non-super, are totally different. The non super Baltars you see on eBay are old, but companies like Stonecine can clean them up. The only camera you can use them on are the early RED's. Now they are being refitted in Asia for still based cameras, that can shoot digital. The lenses are totally different so you cannot use the Baltars where you use the Super Baltars. The Super Baltars will fit and work with any BNCR mount. The Baltars will not.