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I see they have separate gates for sound and silent. They are pretty pricey.

Did you find them worthwhile for the price?

On 3/7/2024 at 12:47 PM, Robert Houllahan said:

The Hydra looks really nice but I could build that in conjunction with my friends with CnC machine shops etc for what I imagine would be allot less than their asking price.

The Lipsner XL1100 can pretty easily be made to run 8mm and lots of labs do that, the XL1100 has some "prototype" like engineering but again with some mods and an updated PLC it can be made to basically operate like the Hydra and even could be modded to have a variable gap etc. Got me thinking about mine and mods now...

The newer Lipsner 8200 HFE ultrasonics have a PLC and arguably do a better cleaning job than any buffer only type cleaner and they can be run with the newer solvents.

We had an early San Labs cleaner and it was pretty bad, the newer Prista cleaner is better but also not great but a good basic and inexpensive to buy platform to build off of IMO.

What was wrong with your earlier cleaning machines, Robert?

San Lab Systems Prista 16mm 35mm Film Tape Reel Cleaning Machine | eBay

Sidenote...

eBay used to offer half-ass decent JPEGs as auction photos. Now they are pretty much all WEBP lo-res crap. I have an eBay archive with +/-40,000 images in it. Glad I grabbed what I did when they offered something better.

On 3/7/2024 at 12:47 PM, Robert Houllahan said:

The Hydra looks really nice but I could build that in conjunction with my friends with CnC machine shops etc for what I imagine would be allot less than their asking price.

The Lipsner XL1100 can pretty easily be made to run 8mm and lots of labs do that, the XL1100 has some "prototype" like engineering but again with some mods and an updated PLC it can be made to basically operate like the Hydra and even could be modded to have a variable gap etc. Got me thinking about mine and mods now...

The newer Lipsner 8200 HFE ultrasonics have a PLC and arguably do a better cleaning job than any buffer only type cleaner and they can be run with the newer solvents.

We had an early San Labs cleaner and it was pretty bad, the newer Prista cleaner is better but also not great but a good basic and inexpensive to buy platform to build off of IMO.

Wow, you've gone through a lot of gear over time, Robert. That is what is nice about being in biz. If you make mistakes and have a decent profit margin, mistakes can be absorbed under the guise of research and development. 

Do the machine cleaners, clean as well or better than hand cleaning, Robert?

Is the Kodak P-200 machine still being produced?

Do these P-200 rollers hold up? Looks like they would deteriorate.

The cleaner? B&H has it for $800 a can...special order.

The machine itself looks pretty nice.

On 3/8/2024 at 2:33 PM, Simon Wyss said:

I have only this excerpt from Telecasting, February 6th, 1950. $2,860 would be $36,600 today.

Thanks Simon.

On 3/8/2024 at 4:47 PM, Perry Paolantonio said:

I believe it's in the $50-$60k range. it's a nice machine. those rollers were also used on the Lipsner-Smith machines and yes, they're basically paint rollers.

The reason this machine has such a complex threading system is that it's not full immersion, so there needs to be enough exposure to air to allow the film to dry before it hits the takeup roller. On the Lipsner machines the film went through a heated air knife to dry the film.

Thanks Perry! Way, way out of my range. 

I never knew about them. Apparently, there is a decent market for used Lipsner-Smith machines.

Lipsner-Smith film cleaner for sale | eBay

What do you use for cleaning Perry?

On 3/9/2024 at 2:27 PM, Robert Houllahan said:

LaserGraphics has sold so many Scan Station scanners I half expect to see my local Pub or 7/11 offering MP scans sometime this year.

Everyone has one, I personally have two.

They are just so reliable and in constant use by the labs, post shops schools and archives and they cost relatively so much less than a big iron machine that it is not likely that many used Scan Station machines will show up on the used market.

Anyone want to buy a nice Spirit 4k?

Are you an import from Ireland Robert? Or do people call the bars, pubs in your local?

Why do you have 2 of them? As backups or set up for different jobs? If you do lots of 8 and 16 work, I could see if you had 2 dedicated machines.

With all those scanners out there, is it affecting your biz? I saw a scan company in TX that said they were closing up shop and selling things off, including their Lasergraphics scanner due to lack of biz.

On 3/8/2024 at 2:46 PM, Robin Phillips said:

I dont think there are that many out there, and the ones that are out there appear to be workhorses (and money makers in the right hands). 

 

Sure, selling scans by the foot is a great gig if you get the work. But I don't know if the market is getting flooded with scan studios thinking it is a money printing machine. I think archival work is a limited field. I mean the business model is all about old films that are not being produced any longer. I don't know how the market is for current 16mm production. Tyler is the person to ask about that.

Me...

If I had the $, I set up a shop with a couple of Scan Stations or Directors and offer it for use to indie filmmakers to use for free. But, most would not know how to use it, so I'd probably get stuck doing the scans, which I would not like doing. So that would be a problem with that idea. But everything always revolves around $. 

$ is stored energy.

I would advertise on some film forums I'd do 16mm scans for free of archival material. I'd get a few broke filmmakers write me to ask for free scans of their film. I'd tell them I'm only interested in archival material. And the Retroscan would not be good for their project anyway.

Thanks Dan, but still not many used scanners around.

Wow, lots of taxes with auctions and the UK. 20% buyer's premium for auction and that GST tax. (Looks like it varies in %) 

Scanner looked very clean. 

Cinetech BSF HYDRA film cleaner...anyone ever use it?

How much is it. 

Film Preparation — Galileo Digital

The rollers in the center group remind me of paint rollers. As I investigated further the website lists them as...'soft nap Dacron buffers that can be adjusted to apply cleaning pressure to each side of the film independently.'

12 hours ago, Steve Switaj said:

Well, don't forget that anamorphic lenses actually have two focal lengths, one in the horizontal axis and one in the vertical axis.

The mumps effect and bokeh smearing and general weirdness that you sometimes see when there's a strong focus pull is largely the result of one lens trying to be a 35 in the horizontal plane and a 70 in the vertical plane. 

 

Thanks, didn't know that. 

OK, thanks for the replies. I'm mainly on the still end and that is why I don't see it much. 

On 3/7/2024 at 5:43 AM, Aapo Lettinen said:

we are doomed

Dunno, but never thought about Nikon when it comes to cine.'

Seems an odd mix.

Well, too late to change the title. This was an ad in an amateur publication. So, it was directed towards amateurs as well as professionals.

Do you have any literature from Auricon, Simon? If so, scan it and upload to the I.A.

Allseas ad 2018

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'Professional Cine' Photographer' Jan 1957 

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Do archives use the Lasergraphics Director or is it overkill for 8mm and 16mm film? 

I thought it had flopped like decades ago. Or is it making a revival?

Well, I was way off with my predictions of being finished with The Facebook Marketplace Prom Queen project at 2,213 images. I closed up the project a few months ago with 19, 914 images. This gal was hopefully the end of the project...I've avoided the Facebook women for months now!

Here is the collection:

https://archive.org/search?query=prom+teoli

I used to donate lots of archival material to FIT special collections in NYC. But it got to be too much for them and they didn't want any more. So, I expanded my fashion collection to be my own FIT. 

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Thanks, Tyler!

Oh, I know film is not dead. Our Walmart has a handful or two of boxes of film on the shelves. That is pretty impressive about the movies shot on film. We need to get charts showing film production and not sales.

Charts that just show the dollar sales are not comparable to charts from back in the day when film was a lot cheaper. It would be good to see charts of film being sold in feet or rolls produced then vs now.

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'Cornered' 1973 Hollywood, CA

Selection from 'Peering into the World of 1970's Hollywood & L.A.' 2012

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I was going to put this in the Off Topic section, since it is historical in nature. But looks like that section is shut down as I can't access or view it any longer. So, this section looks like the most apropos section to put it in. This may have some interest for the cinematographer that is trying to recreate an old look for titles/ intertitles for a project.

Back in the day, magazines dedicated to the home movie market, would have a page or two of premade titles in each issue for them to use in their movies. The person would set up a copy stand with close up lens diopter and shoot the premade titles / intertitles for their film.  Sometimes the titles would be generic. Other times they would be for a suggested project. These are from 1940.

I've got about 2 feet of 'Home Movies,' 'Cine' Photographer' & 'Movie Maker' magazines from the 1930's-1940's to scan. I will eventually upload them to the Internet Archive. Lots of interesting film history in them.

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Post some samples of before and after of your Resolve work.

When shooting on the fly it is not always doable to get it right in-camera. A good documentary cameraman makes do and brings home the goods best they can. So, post work is very important to make up for shortcomings.

Selection from 'Whoop-Whoop' project 2014

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This photo for example took some work...in Lightroom. I don't use Resolve, so don't know if this level of post work is doable. As of now I use Movavi which is basic, but it covers most of my needs as an archivist. Although it is pretty poor for color grading and am dissatisfied with it for grading.

Can you dodge and burn a scene with Resolve then carry it over with the computer to make the frames blend? Or does it have to be redone for each frame? In other words, let's say you burn in a lady's purse. Will it find the purse in selected frames and burn it in the same as the first frame? Or does cine' software not do that? If you don't know what burn in means...it means, make it darker in whole or in spots as selected. Or is Resolve even capable of burning in detail?

Lasergraphics has a non-Bayer sensor on their top end Director scanner. The cheaper LG scanners have Bayer sensors. From what I've read about camera sensors, the Bayer option offer a less sharp image. If so, why not drop the Bayer filter from all their scanners to get maximum sharpness? 

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7 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

I mean, right now Kodak is making film 24/7 using a staff of several hundred full time employees. They are so busy, they had to wake up and start using perforating machines they hadn't been using for years. So sure, we're not talking volumes of the pre-digital age, but remember Kodak use to make their still film over seas. So now that ALL film is coming from the single plant in Rochester, it's a lot more work. 

Why did Fuji die? I'm shocked you asked that question because it seems that everyone knows. 

Kodak has non-competition agreements with all the studios. They physically were not allowed to shoot Fuji film, period. 

Fuji was literally denied access to the largest productions, not because of the filmmakers or the quality of product, but because the studios agreed to keep Kodak a float. This is also not a new thing, this isn't post bankruptcy, oh no. This has been going on for decades. Similar to how studio's had non-competition agreements with technicolor prior. 

Fuji was used by many high profile films. However, if you actually research the funding, you'd see many were independently funded, even though studio distributed. Obviously anything non-studio could have been shot on Fuji. Today if they were around, I bet they'd do very well honestly. Especially with their Reversal stocks which have a very beautiful and unique look. Everyone is after that look today and when they closed down their factory at the end of 2011, people were outraged. New Fuji stock is just re-badged Kodak FYI. Fuji does not make any film products. 

They had kept their black and white coating line running for a few years after they killed the color line, but they eventually closed that as well once separation's weren't done as frequently. I absolutely blame the rise in lab costs to the lack of another brand. 

One COULD spend a billion dollars and make a new photochemical company. It would be easy to poach engineers and pay for the Fuji patents to bring the stock back. However, who would want to do such a thing? 

Thanks for the rundown, Tyler. I just look at the charts. I don't study film much. I'm around film all the time...in the Archive. For my own use I'm 100% digital. So, I'm an outsider, Tyler. In the old days, I was 100% film. 

From the charts, film does not look like a booming business. To me it looks like Kodak is 'just' surviving. Or are the charts misleading, Tyler? 

Kodak film spooling operation 1945

Infrared flash photo taken in the dark.

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