Larry Chan Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Hi all I would like to know more about the camera. Can anyone tell me where I can search for more information about it. Thanks in advance. Best Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 There's tons of info on the net about these cameras, but since I own one, I'll give you my opinions and a few pointers. 1. Don't get the "A" version, get the "R" or "RA". The "A" doesn't have removable lenses. You can recognize it, by the angular viewfinder jutting out from the lens itself. 2. These were popular news cameras, student film school cameras, and rentals long ago, so many of them are pretty beat up, however they are built well and hold up quite well, but I suggest being careful when you buy, because some are a little jacked up. Get new belts too. 3. The Angeniuex 12-120 lens that seems to always come with these is not a good lens. Really soft, especially wide open, so plan on buying new glass, unless you're just farting around and don't care that much. I got a good deal on a Canon 12.5-120 on ebay, and I'm very happy with it. WWAAAAAYYYY nicer and sharper than the Angeniuex 12-120, and I also got a couple CP Ultra primes, and they're way sharp (thanks for the tip, Mitch!). 4. They're very quiet, which is good. Much quieter than say, the Bealiuex R16, which sounds like a chainsaw! 5. Get good batteries & one or two chargers. (Lots of old bad batteries floating around out there too, so be careful). I'm very happy with my camera though. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Chan Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hi Matt Thanks for your reply. And may I ask one more thing whether the camera loads 16mm film with daylight spool or just core? Cos I did try to load a roll of 16mm film with daylight spool. Before, everything was smooth, easy to turn the sprocket. But when I closed the mag door, I could not even rotate the wheel sprocket. Best Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Yolles Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Matt is right, the Angeniuex zoom lens is horrible. You can't really pull focus. The lens' breathing is so great that it almost looks like a zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Fredericks Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 you should be able to put a daylight spool into both versions of the CP-16 mags... make sure the spool is seated properly inside the mag...this may take an extra twist to get it in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Wells Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Is the Angenieux 12-120 really that bad? So many cameras were supplied with this lens. Does anyone have anything good to say about it? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Fredericks Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 like any lens, i think it depends on the condition of each particular one. it is true with the lens breathing when pulling focus at certain focal lengths. i have gotten some beautiful images out of that lens but when i shoot 16mm i always try to rent the Zeiss 10-100 (T2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I've used both daylight spools and cored on this camera. It's easy to think you have the spool all the way down, when it's not, so you have to really check and push kinda hard to snap it down on the spindle. The Ang' lens "can" look OK, but if you shoot in low light, you will start hating your lens, because it goes very soft, and starts color shifting on you. I got a Canon 12.5-120, and it's so much better I sold the Angie in a heartbeat and never regretted it. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Kolling Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Is it true you can't change lenses on the "A"'s. I recently aquired one and the manual does'nt say anything about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Salzmann Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 The Angenieux 12-120 is a very bad lens. The only Angenieux zoom I think is any good is the 9.5-57 which was the mainstay of TV news crews way back when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 If the "A" is the non-reflex, certainly you can change lenses, but it requires a zoom with a built-in finder (so called "dogleg") Angenieux has made some very good zooms, and some less than desirable zooms -sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 That's a matter of symantics, I guess, because I'm pretty damn sure the only lens with that viewfinder hanging off it, is the crappy 12-120 Angie we're talking about. So while it may be "technically" removable, you can't put anything else on the camera, and even if there is another lens out there with the "dog ear", you certainly don't have a wide variety of lenses you can use on an "A", whereas there are a bunch of lenses with the standard CP mount, and if you find one you like, most can be converted. You can also have the camera modified to a PL mount, a nikon mount, pentax mount, etc. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 That's a matter of symantics, I guess, because I'm pretty damn sure the only lens with that viewfinder hanging off it, is the crappy 12-120 Angie we're talking about. So while it may be "technically" removable, you can't put anything else on the camera, and even if there is another lens out there with the "dog ear", you certainly don't have a wide variety of lenses you can use on an "A", whereas there are a bunch of lenses with the standard CP mount, and if you find one you like, most can be converted. You can also have the camera modified to a PL mount, a nikon mount, pentax mount, etc. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 That's a matter of symantics, I guess, because I'm pretty damn sure the only lens with that viewfinder hanging off it, is the crappy 12-120 Angie we're talking about. So while it may be "technically" removable, you can't put anything else on the camera, and even if there is another lens out there with the "dog ear", you certainly don't have a wide variety of lenses you can use on an "A", whereas there are a bunch of lenses with the standard CP mount, and if you find one you like, most can be converted. You can also have the camera modified to a PL mount, a nikon mount, pentax mount, etc. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry Lasater Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Thanks, Matt. We heard you the first time... :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I didn't do that, it was a buggy double post. MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Gross Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 There were other lenses manufactred with the dogleg viewfinder such as the Som-Berthiot zooms, but sad to say the 12-120 was probably the best of them. And that's not saying much. There were some Ang. 9.5-57 zooms made with the dogleg, and that is the best lens, but with any old glass you have to check them individually to see if they're any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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