Andy O'Neil Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Feel free to explain your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jayson Crothers Posted October 23, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 23, 2004 As far as I'm concerned, there's only one director on set, and it's not me. I'll use the term DoP, of course, when chatting with people in a hurry, but I try to avoid it. I think Director of Photography also allows some folks to view our roles more as technician and less artistic or creative - I want my director and producer to view me as a creative member of the production - not as a meter jockey. Ultimately though, it's just a title. I suppose they could call me "The Grand Poo-Bah" just so long as they were paying me and it was a good experience in making the film............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted October 23, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 23, 2004 I don't really care -- the work is more important than the label. "Director of Photography" suggests that the cinematographer is in charge of a multiple departments; it also suggests the lead cinematographer, since a film can also have second unit cinematographers, efx cinematographers, etc. It's basically a term that the union came up with. But I don't care whether I'm called the cinematographer or the DP. I even took "Lighting Cameraman" on one project. As long as people know what I did when they see the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Greg Gross Posted October 23, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 23, 2004 I do not object to cinematographer which I think is a professional term and well respected. I've found that younger people seem to react to DP better and seem to have a vision of what you do. Personally I'm kind of shy about being called one or the other (I'm a student right now,have been professional photog-rapher for over 20 yrs.). My girlfriend is a graduate of a film school in Philadelphia and she calls herself a filmmaker. I suppose what my peers think of me is more important to me than a title. I think I really would feel good if a peer said to some- body else, did you see that film that Greg Gross shot? His use of the camera was awesome,the color saturation,details in the shadows were fantastic. They would not have to use DP or cinematographer after my name. I suppose the ultimate joy would be to have ASC after my name. I would be honored beyond belief. I truly and sincerely respect this title. I think we all know what ASC means and the in- tegrity of the title. While I was away on location one morning two weeks ago I had about four hours freetime. I saw a gentlemen performing Ti Chi on the beach and decided to film it. I was so busy filming him and working with the camera that I was'nt aware of the crowd building up behind me. A gaffer buddy of mine asked some of the people if they knew who I was(real practical joker) I was really emba- rrassed. Is'nt it funny how crowds will try to make you famous? I might have made the newspaper that day,I don't know. Do I have to call myself a student director of photography now? Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tyler Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 I like "Photographed by" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Greg Gross Posted October 24, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 24, 2004 Hello Tim, This is a great forum! Thank you! Yes I agree with you." Photographed By". Thats an outstanding way to do it. Its especially good for shy guys who just want to be recognized by their peers, as thats what I think is important. One time,long time ago I was out shopping and ran into Michael Chapman, I won't say where. Well you can imagine I just about peed in my pants,it was very sudden and un-expected! I'm sure he does'nt remember me! I wanted to ask him how he felt about hanging from cables to take meter readings. I had seen pictures of him taking meter readings in this manner. Well I could hardly speak,I mean to me he's one of the gods,and next to Conrad Hall(God Bless Him) my next favorite cinematographer. Well I think I said something like-"its you" and he said-"yes its me. I said I'm a photograher sir, I love your films your photography. He said thank you sir. No- body else there knew it was Michael Chapman, I kept my mouth shut I did'nt tell anybody because I sensed he wanted privacy. Maybe he's shy too, I don't know. I wonder maybe if a lot of cinematographers are shy? To this day I'm so pleased that I got to tell him I love his work. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel J. Ashley-Smith Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 To my crew, DP to the average bod on the street, cinematographer Although, when talking "Director of Photography" and "Cinematographer" unabbreviated, I'd say cinematographer. A photographer takes stills, cinematographer shoots cine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Press Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 The first time I worked Dave Paul (a fantastic DOP) I thought he must be a bit stuck up because every one on set called him DP all the time. "Hey DP where do you want the tracks?" "What lens are we using DP?" it really bugged me until at the end of the day I realized it was DP for David PauL... man I felt like an idiot. Call me what you like I know what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted October 25, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 25, 2004 In France, we don't have the equivalent to "cinematographer". We use DoP basically for an operator who's doing the lighting only, not operating the camera as well. When an operator does both lighting and operating the camera, we use to call him "Chef opérateur" that you could translate by "cinematographer" but the words don't mean the same. In england I heard the terms of "lighting cameraman". We also use the word "operator", that is a bit weird, since it's used for DoP as well as for cameramen, you can't tell if they only do the lighting, the camera or both. It may mean that they are competent for both. It's fun to see that in the beginning of cinema, and I noticed that some people still consider it this way in this forum, the cameraman was call "adjoint operator". It was meaning that the DoP was the key person, and that the cameraman was under his orders somehow. I once worked as a cameraman with a dop who was always telling me where to put the camera, from what the director was telling us... strange situation, sometimes... When you see the term "cameraman" on a generic, it means somebody else did the lighting, it's the only thing you hardly can be sure of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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