Guest Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I think that it is reasonable, Richard, that the U.S. takes a baby step towards one nationalized plan instead of abandoning private care completely. Unfortunately the only way to do it, is to..........do it. Just set up the national plan now and get on with it, 20 years from now no one will even remember this debate. Canada went down this road in 1962, and no one has ever looked back. Just get it over with. Having some people covered by a gov't run plan and some not, will actually be worse than what the USA has now. National health care only works when it is truly national, every one pays for it with their taxes and every one is covered. End of story. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 End of story.R, .. yah.. especially when health care is rationed as it inevitably will be... unfortunately, it may (your) story that is ended... and all to soon. I pray not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 .. yah.. especially when health care is rationed as it inevitably will be... unfortunately, it may (your) story that is ended... and all to soon. I pray not! You really haven't paid attention to a single thing that's been posted in this thread by anyone other than yourself, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 mmmm. I've read, considered.. but in the end, I prefer reality.... as distasteful as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 .. yah.. especially when health care is rationed as it inevitably will be... unfortunately, it may (your) story that is ended... and all to soon. I pray not! No problem then, Americans will be used to the rationing of health care, since that is exactly what is happening in the USA right now. 250 million insured, 46 million not insured. What really rubbed me when I worked in the USA was that I had to pay medic aid tax on my pay cheque, but I could not collect any medic aid. I was paying for some thing I had no access to. How Americans put up with this sort of thing is beyond my comprehension? :blink: In other countries the politicians responsible for this kind of lunacy would be thrown out on their asses. Then again......you probably don't need a loud mouthed Canadian voicing his opinion on your health care debate. I don't vote in the USA so what I say is really moot, isn't it? :D R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 mmmm. I've read, considered.. but in the end, I prefer reality.... as distasteful as it is. Having this conversation with you, typing out actual arguments, only to be met with responses that amount to nothing more than "no I disagree" is quite frustrating and reminds me more than a little of this classic Onion article from several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 no... I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Borowski Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 no... I disagree. I know you are being sarcastic here, David, but I would say that Scott has a point. There are a multitude of counterpoints that you could be presenting to defend your stance on this issue. . . but aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 There are numerous counterpoints I (have) presented in this thread.... being that I am 'working' I really don't have the time (nor energy) to go on and on in a detailed healthcare debate... esp.. on a Cinematography website. I have gone far enough. Karl, get off the Boards and go get a job in the industry you love!!!! You will do great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas James Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Under Communism there is no rationing of health care. Everyone gets the health care that they need and nobody lacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Have you seen the TV Ads the National Endowment of the Arts so quickly churned out after a prod and wink from the White House? Isn't this an illegal use of tax payer funds... promoting propaganda? Imagine if Bush had done this? I would be equally appalled. We Pledge allegiance to our God.. then our Nation... not to a 'man'. National Endowment of the Arts President Yosi Sergant steps down... 1. Van Jones 2. Sergant 3. Next?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I hadn't heard about that, so I just looked it up. I'm simultaneously not in favor of what this guy did, and not in favor of Glenn Beck (where you obviously got this, as well as most of what you've posted in this thread) distorting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 National Endowment of the Arts President Yosi Sergant steps down... 1. Van Jones 2. Sergant 3. Next?! 3. ACORN! 4. Next?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Does it not strike you as a bit odd that an administration which you claim is incredibly left wing is so terrified of being perceived as left-wing that it is apparently allowing Glenn Beck to dictate its decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Talk about reverse engineering :rolleyes: ...maybe.. it just could be Scott... that the veil is being lifted and the American people are now seeing the truth about our President (as evidenced by the mass of people who marched on Washington) and they are calling him on his moves?... Maybe? The unfortunate part is that these folks simply move below the surface (where they are even harder to detect). btw.. if you don't think Obama is a radical left winger... well, I don't know what to say. :blink: Keep the blinders on Scott :ph34r: Who will be #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Also, how many more times is Obama going to have to reneg on every slightly progressive promise he made before you admit that he's basically a pretty conservative president who just happens to be black and a Democrat? Every time he says something like "we're going to start treating homosexuals like equal human beings," he has his DoJ defend the Defense of Marriage Act by comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality. Every time you insist that he's engineering a government takeover of healthcare, he proposes a plan with a crippled public option that would cover less than 5% of the population. Every time he hates America because he sat in church with a guy who talked (correctly) about how 9/11 was the direct result of our foreign policy, he increases the defense budget, escalates war against Afghanistan, and makes virtually no effort to actually close Guantanamo. Every time he talks about how we're not going to torture people anymore and is accused of wanting to destroy America, his actual actions do nothing to close black sites or end extraordinary rendition, and in fact now he introduces the concept of "preventative detainment" to continue to imprison prisoners who have been found innocent. Right now he's talking about reforming regulation of the financial industry and I'm pretty sure that Beck is going to call him a communist for it and you're going to agree with that, but in actuality he waited until the urgency has dissipated, none of the regulations he's proposing would have prevented the collapse last year, and he's going to end up compromising on even that to a set of new laws that essentially have no effect. And every time you waste your time crying about how some guy he hired to oversee an inherently Capitalistic department is a communist, he's giving out tax cuts because Republicans asked for it. You're whining about stupid, irrelevant crap because if you actually looked at anything meaningful that he's doing and not just saying, you'd have to realize that he's actually doing stuff that you approve of and you wouldn't be able to sustain this ridiculous idea that you're being persecuted because you lost an election. The only things I can think of offhand that Obama is doing that is more liberal than what McCain would have done is that he's not actively trying to provoke war with Iran (watch me be proven wrong in the next year) and that he's apparently not going to prevent states from having medical marijuana stores. Oh, and that he's allowing Holder to attempt to prosecute people from the previous administration for breaking the law w/r/t tortute, but that's also not going to end in anything meaningful beyond maybe sending some lackeys to jail. So at what point will you admit that he's basically doing what a Republican president would do except that he's slightly less hawkish and slightly less anti-intellectual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 ...maybe.. it just could be Scott... that the veil is being lifted and the American people are now seeing the truth about our President (as evidenced by the mass of people who marched on Washington) and they are calling him on his moves?... Maybe? No, none of the Tea Party people voted for him in the first place and all of them already thought he was a Communist Fascist Muslim Atheist who was born in Kenya. They're incoherently mad because someone they didn't vote for is in the White House and because ethnic minorities now appear to have more of a say in who gets elected than they do. They're mad about the tax increases that don't exist and they don't want socialist medicine in their Medicare. If anyone is being disillusioned currently it's the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rakoczy Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 No, none of the Tea Party people voted for him in the first place and all of them already thought he was a Communist Fascist Muslim Atheist who was born in Kenya. They're incoherently mad because someone they didn't vote for is in the White House and because ethnic minorities now appear to have more of a say in who gets elected than they do. They're mad about the tax increases that don't exist and they don't want socialist medicine in their Medicare. If anyone is being disillusioned currently it's the left. Now Scott.. that is one of the most ignorant statements you have made thus far... (I am leaving you room for another)... you obviously have not viewed any of the footage showing the massive crowd shots of people from all races, creeds, religions.. etc etc.. or the angry Democrats! You're unbelievable... literally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fritzshall Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 No, I've actually seen quite a lot of it. I saw it last Saturday and I've been following the whole Tea Party thing for several months. I've seen the interviews with the attendees (both those made by people who were sympathetic to them and those who were mocking them), I've seen the speeches given by the people speaking there, I've seen massive volumes of posts on message boards by those who have been organizing them. I'm pretty sure that technically, all races were present. As in, like, a few people from each. But actually one of the most apparent things from any of the videos or pictures of any of these events is that they're uniformly a sea of white people, most of whom are at least middle-aged. There will usually be like one or two black people there. Maybe a single hispanic person. I've seen maybe one or two interviews with or comments from people who claim to have been democrats, but given that the purpose of the protests- to the extent that it's ever clearly articulated beyond "we don't want to pay taxes" or "we want our country back" (whatever that is supposed to mean)- is pretty much indistinguishable from the Republican agenda, I'm pretty sure they've always been quite conservative anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Paul Bruening Posted September 15, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted September 15, 2009 This has turned into a Scott/David match. Not that I mind since the Best Camera for Porn thread evolved into a Paul/David match. I do beg David to consider the merits of Scott's presentations. I do detect a determination in Scott to see clearly what is occurring without regard for taking any particular political side. I can't help but respect that. Please, David, take some time to reconsider Scott's statements. Even if you don't find them agreeable, you may find something useful to you in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted September 15, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted September 15, 2009 ...maybe.. it just could be Scott... that the veil is being lifted and the American people are now seeing the truth about our President (as evidenced by the mass of people who marched on Washington) and they are calling him on his moves?... Maybe? I don't think "truth" has anything to do with it... (Hey, this brief snarky comment thing is kinda fun!) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (as evidenced by the mass of people who marched on Washington) I thought those people where anti-George Bush groups that had not heard he left office. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Borowski Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 This has turned into a Scott/David match. Not that I mind since the Best Camera for Porn thread evolved into a Paul/David match. I do beg David to consider the merits of Scott's presentations. Are every one of your actions grounded in living in the past, Paul? We've all moved past that. You apparently haven't. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Paul Bruening Posted September 16, 2009 Premium Member Share Posted September 16, 2009 XXXX YOU Paul. Keep playing with film cameras in a closet in the middle of nowhere that you can't afford to buy film for. . . :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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