Orlin S Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Hi there, I'm looking for a new light meter. I'm pretty sure that the Seconic 758 Cine, would be the best choice for me, but today i went to a used equip store and i found used sekonic 758D in a very good condition, for half it's retail price. So my question is, does it worth spending twice for the Cine version ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Not twice no... The cine is helpful but in this case get the cheaper one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Baluk Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I found the cine version extremely helpful and useful. if you can get it, go for the cine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 I found the cine version extremely helpful and useful. if you can get it, go for the cine Which functions of the cine do you find more useful ? I mean in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Well, I dont use it day in day out lately - so I find myself struggling with my memory on how to use it... That being said, the obvious factor of the cine over the standard is the shutter angle adjustment and the direct fps entry option - that way you're not having to think about calculating the shutter speed, which can take time if you're changing either often ... then again, with some individuals that actually works against you as you have a layer of control abstraction removing you from the reality of the exposure. Feel free to use that as justification that the standard version is still a good choice . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 There are other 758 owners here who will chime in (I would have thought they would have by now ?) - so dont just take my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted August 17, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted August 17, 2012 I've only ever used the cine. I like it; but not knowing what it has over the other one; cant tell you which is best. I do like the FSP setting, but that depends a bit on how much off-speed stuff you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 First, thank you very much for your response. Second, when I use the shutter speed, instead of FPS by simply typing the 2x fps value ( 25fps = 1/50....120fps = 1/240) i'll get the corect exposure for 180 degree right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bartok Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Funny thing I just bought mine, I couldn't afford/not really wanting to fork out that much, I'm a Cinematographer and Photographer so I went for L-758D I find that It's best for both worlds, if you can afford the Cine then by all means get it, but you can defiantly be ahead by using the D or DR. I apologize if this isn't what your asking but It sounds like you want to convert Shutter degree to shutter speed. 1/32 = 270 1/48 = 180 1/50 = 172.8 1/60 = 144 1/96 = 90 1/120 = 72 "(24 x 360) / Shutter Angle (i.e 8640 / xx where xx is xx degrees). So the shutter speed for 144 degrees: 8640 / 144 = 60 (i.e 1/60th sec)" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Funny thing I just bought mine, I couldn't afford/not really wanting to fork out that much, I'm a Cinematographer and Photographer so I went for L-758D I find that It's best for both worlds, if you can afford the Cine then by all means get it, but you can defiantly be ahead by using the D or DR. I apologize if this isn't what your asking but It sounds like you want to convert Shutter degree to shutter speed. 1/32 = 270 1/48 = 180 1/50 = 172.8 1/60 = 144 1/96 = 90 1/120 = 72 "(24 x 360) / Shutter Angle (i.e 8640 / xx where xx is xx degrees). So the shutter speed for 144 degrees: 8640 / 144 = 60 (i.e 1/60th sec)" Thx for the answer. I always try to keep the 180 degree when shooting, because of the motion, so i was curios if it's the same, when i enter for example 180 degree + 120 fps On 758 CINE version, and when i just put 25 fps and 1/240 shutter speed On 758D version. I should get the same result right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 1/240 on a D will give you the same result as 180deg and 120fps on a cine yes Not sure about "25 fps and 1/240 shutter speed On 758D version" - you cant enter 25fps on the D version, and that combo would imply a shutter angle smaller than 180deg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 1/240 on a D will give you the same result as 180deg and 120fps on a cine yes Not sure about "25 fps and 1/240 shutter speed On 758D version" - you cant enter 25fps on the D version, and that combo would imply a shutter angle smaller than 180deg... Manual says, that u can enter these frame rates : 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 18, 24, 25, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 50, 60, 64, 72, 96, 120, 128, 150, 200, 240, 256, 300 and 360 f/s. But still I think that setting fps is not necessary when u enter the correct shutter speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 You can enter those on the D ? oh wow ... wasn't aware - jeez just get the D - especially if you're sticking with 180deg shutters... and yes the correct shutter speed is the correct shutter speed so go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bartok Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 You can enter those on the D ? oh wow ... wasn't aware - jeez just get the D - especially if you're sticking with 180deg shutters... and yes the correct shutter speed is the correct shutter speed so go figure I wasn't aware that it could either, can some one confirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 I wasn't aware that it could either, can some one confirm this Manual page 19! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Sure its not a combination manual ? (too lazy to find it and check) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bartok Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm actually so surprised atm, its real you just have to keep scrolling till it goes into fps, the exposure is based on 180degree shutter angle and for non cine meters just change your ISO sensitivity to -1/3 for 160 degrees and +1/3 220. Nice find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 Sure its not a combination manual ? (too lazy to find it and check) [L-758DR/758D] The following Cine Speeds will be displayed: 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 18, 24, 25, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 50, 60, 64, 72, 96, 120, 128, 150, 200, 240, 256, 300 and 360 f/s. [L-758CINE] The following Cine Speeds will be displayed: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24, 25, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 50, 60, 64, 72, 75, 90, 96, 100, 120, 125, 128, 150,180, 200, 240, 250, 256, 300, 360, 375, 500, 625, 750 and 1000 f/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlin S Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 Great! I'll go for the D version. Looks like it's just Cine sticker for 200 $ :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Baluk Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) PAge 39 of the manual as well, you can create filter compensations. when on set I've found those tremendously helpful. sure its just small math, but very simple to see certain exposures at literally a glance and switch betwen filter compensations Edited August 19, 2012 by Mark Baluk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yeh, seems strange indeed ! I consider myself lucky as I got my cine when they first came out through a Hong Kong outfit who seemed to price the models with only a $10 difference - but heck even $10 is quite a lot considering the lack of extra functionality... Even the cine makes big jumps in fps, 40 to 48 for instance - not that the difference between 44fps and either of those speeds is that great in terms of exposure. Summed up succinctly as: 'meh' Still though, that 'cine' tag is pretty cool looking - and only the cool kids have that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Alboukharey Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Sorry for bringing this old thread up again, but does anyone know if one could potentially hack or mod the L-758D/R to behave like the Cine version? Like a firmware upgrade perhaps?? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Mark Kenfield Posted July 13, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'm not sure you'd want to, to be honest. I have the Cine. And although I like having a combined spot and incident meter in one, The L-758C must have one of the worst user interfaces ever created. Every single function you want to access, requires a literal finger ballet to press all of the various buttons required to access and adjust anything. Want to adjust your exposure compensation for filters? Sure, your only option is to shift things in 10% of a stop increments - which means you'll be spinning that dial for minutes just to plot in a couple of stops of exposure compensation. It's just horrid. And when you can't use all of these fancy features that you're paying so much for (because they're simply to awkward to access quickly and efficiently), well... what's the point in paying so much? Problem is, is there a better option for a combined meter? One that's as compact, but easier to operate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted July 14, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well yes, an L-508! It's got none of that exposure compensation stuff, you just change the ISO rating and do the rest in your head. Runs on a AA, is smaller and lighter. I'll trade you mine for your fancy L-758C if you like. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Mark Kenfield Posted July 14, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted July 14, 2016 Interesting. Thanks Sat I'll look into it. I actually would be open to a trade if it meant getting less Meter-Rage on set. And AA batteries would be a dream - trying to find the bloody CR123A (or whatever they're called) batteries that the L-758 needs is a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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