Michel Hafner

What's 10/12 K? I hope you are not suggesting 10K as in 4K, are you?

Why? Right. A DCI master from the IP is higher quality than HD from the IP. So what's your problem? Bad digital projectors? Of course you can do it better and integrate the DI parts directly without using the IP, Not that this is usually done, as far as I know, which is the reason I dislike films done partially with DI. Do the whole show or nothing or make at least a digital master where all comes from the IP or OCN and the IP parts are all from OCN. What exactly do you not like about a 2K projection compared to a mass produced standard print (4th generation) whether from DI or IP? Maybe you live in LA and are spolit with prints from OCN. But in your regular cinema there simply are no prints that are higher quality than 2K projection if the source is a 2K DI. And if there is no DI it's a matter of preference what you prefer. Neither the 2K nor the print look like the graded negative (if there were such a thing).

Nonetheless you see second generation that way while from prints you see fourth generation. Wanna bet which is closer to the 'original'? Actually the IP is the original master source in that case. The OCN is not the finished film. Watching the negative is a luxury only digital technology makes possible.

Nyquist = 2K line pairs. He gets 1.6K line pairs.

Does any actor have that kind of clout? And is it not rather a shooting and grading issue than a format issue?

Calibration disks are helpful, The 'freaks' buy also probes to measure grayscale themselves and get color temperature and gamma right from 0 to 100 IRE. Good equipment allows you to calibrate such things, either in the normal or the service menu. There are several software solutiions on the market and several probes that can be used. As usual what is dirt cheap is not accurate and quality costs you something. Might be cheaper to hire an ISF tech to calibrate ones gear in the end. But for the technically inclinded it has its charms to do it oneself and see how off the usual factory or consumer settings are (such as normal, film, video, vivid etc.). Or the display's primaries (which is unfixable without a color management system built into the display or in an external box) which are usually oversaturated (especially green).

You buy equipment that lets you turn off all unnecessary processing. It does exist.

That's correct but in no way comparable to the kind of processing that goes on when you go from 24 fps to 48 or 72 and whole frames are created in between, The former can be made to look pretty much visually lossless with no obvious motion anomalies from compression since it always refers to what's already there, the exisiting frames. The latter does not look like the original anymore and has countless anomalies and artifacts if you look closely because perfect motion estimation and dealing with special cases is impossible in real time (and very hard to impossible non real time as well).

Of course you do, unless you are fed up with movies because you get enough of them 'at work'. :lol: There are nice monitors out there but in the end you are still watching (glorified) TV. If you want the cinema experience you need a projector, preferably a 1080p model that can light up a 2-4m wide 16:9 screen. I can recommend the JVC RS1 and RS2. Not cheap, but you get the highest On-Off contrast in the industry from any digital and an overall very nice picture indeed. The RS2 projector is good enough to do grading work if you have the right external box for color gamut matching. The primaries on the JVCs are closer to cinema primaries than HD primaries.

One chip DLP produces rainbows for people sensitive to the artifact, The amount visible is quite variable and depends on the person as well as the technical details of the one chip DLP (DLP chip generation, how many segments in the color wheel, lamp source or LED, internal processing and synchronisation...).

I prefer the new JVC D_ILA models due to higher On-Off and less veil in dark scenes. With brighter scenes good DLP has an ANSI contrast advantage though and possibly more depth/punch. They can also look sharper.

They are not monitors, but the Pioneer plasma is a monitor at nominal > 10000:1 On-Off.

That was for black and white in the same picture, no? That's ANSI type of contrast. Measure black and white sequentially and if you still get < 256:1 your probe is faulty/inaccurate or you use a model with very poor On-Off contrast. It has to be said though that measuring black levels on monitors and projectors is tricky since if the black level is low most probes are way too inaccurate to give useful results.

ANSI contrast is limited like that. On-Off is not. And On-Off (aka black level versus white level) can be as high as 30000:1 with the latest projectors. The new Pioneer Kuros Plasmas have officially 20000:1. Whether they have actually just 10000:1 or whatever they sure look different to older models with lesser claimed contrast and higher black levels.

Any hope for a HD release?

The new Spielberg approved HD transfer of "Close Encounters" has been released on BR for some time. Watching it I wondered why so many of the shots have a blurry top and bottom. Only the middle is sharp and in focus. Was that effect typical of anamorphic Panavision lenses in the 70s? Was it unavoidable or even intended?

Have never seen a consumer LCD whose picture I did not find yuck with SD material. With HD it's more tolerable. Professional LCDs are something else, but so is the price.

I got the message. I won't post here anymore.

And how exactly was my contribution not useful? How exactly did I violate any terms? It sure is useless now after the moderator's intervention. It was not in the beginning if you are interested in Red and testing aspects of it yourself.

I see no violation of protocol as defined here: http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...?act=boardrules When the complaint was that the meaning of the links was unclear and it's too much to ask to mentally add the thread title and the links together it would be appropriate to add some text to the links (such as: you can download the software HERE and a clip for testing it HERE) instead of deleting the links and leave a pointless corpse behind, IMHO. ;) PS. Oh, I see reduser.net is competition so you can't link to it. One of the two links was to www.red.com. Is that competition too?

The HD of BD and HD-DVD looks identical for the Kubrick films since Warner makes one VC-1 compression and uses it for both systems for all their titles so far. One could say dumbing down to the lower specs of HD-DVD. But the result looks usually great anyway. The SD stuff I avoid if possible at all since it's almost always plagued by EE and ringing, mosquito noise and sometimes DNR. If all is top notch it's just blurry compared to HD. But who wants blurry when you can have sharp? No 'bat cave' no optimal colors and contrast. As simple as that. The Sony is nice too. But I prefer real On-Off to dynamic iris simulated On-Off. On the other hand the Sony's colors are more accurate I think. So you need an external processor with the JVC to get good skin color and spot on HD primaries (e.g. for now the Radiance from Lumagen).

I froze up my laptop with the clip when playing with the gamma. :lol: But my laptop has not the necessary 'power' anyway to deal with 'it'. And not enough free disk space.

That redcine is here and you can try it out is information, no? It was released today. It's not outdated information. What do you want? A report of all bugs I found? ;) The first link was the place from where you can get it. The second a link to page with a link for a clip you can process. Should everybody go searching for such links themselves?

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I prefer Blu Ray because it has more potential (more disk space, more bandwidth) and for now more studios and a player I prefer to the Toshiba players. The region coding is a liability but that alone is not enough for me to prefer HD-DVD. I have maybe 50 HD-DVDs and 150 BDs. I watch with a JVC HD-1 onto a 3.5m wide fixed 16:9 screen in a 'bat cave'. Top HD looks very nice. :D Especially newly transferred immersive 16:9 material like "The Shining".