monday sunnlinn

have you actually tried it?

if you did anything besides stop motion, what was the maximum sustained framerate you got out of it? and what interface did you use to hook the camera up to the pc with? i downloaded those movies a few days ago and the framerate was a strange 26.79 or something like that, it played back kinda choppy...

okay, so i guess that won't work. thanks Phil. since this thread has veered slightly from my original question. does anyone out there who's not committed to JVC for whatever reason (be it technical, experience or personal taste)have any comments about getting 4.4.4. color out of a prosumer HD camera? i do appreciate the input from Walter and Phil, it gives me much to consider again about HDV and JVC, but i want more than just their perspective on it. so don't be shy people...more than anything, i just want to hear from anyone that has a set-up that might work. if you feel the need to critique it, please start another thread so as not to scare others away before they share their experience with the rest of us.

it's not a myth when it ruins a product/shoot... i can only speak from my personal experience. i'm glad to hear they have fixed that. you sound like you are up to date on the JVC HD series, off the top of your head, do you know what the firmware revision is that fixes that, so next time i(or anyone else) am/is required to pick one of those up at a rental house, i/they can check?

@Phil i'm still trying to get some info from nikon on that HDMI port. the hydra technology said it's 4.4.4. color and actually larger than 1080 as it takes the signal straight from the chip before any sort of compression is applied, what do you know that no one else does? not being sarcastic, just hoping to learn something new...about everything, all the time.... @Walter you couldn't resist could you? :) (i think it was you that had the link to the tutorial about blue screening in one of the keying topics, a lot of great information in there, thanks...i might also add the using a backlight on the subject that is the spill suppressor color of the screen color helps keep small details like hair from being lost in the key.) i have used the lastest versions of AE pro and Motion with a plug-in called DVmatte blast and one called Conduit from DV garage, and pulled some good keys from the worst possible case DV footage and some really good keys from some stuff shot on a JVC HD110u even with their chip problems and unfriendly to FCP codec. but i don't want good, i want the best i can make within a limited budget. i was going to get the DSLR eventually to use for timelapse shots so i started exploring that option. so if anyone has gotten a signal that's useable out of the HDMI port of a DSLR, feel free to speak up and let us know what it is. at this point i'd like to say that i'm also hoping for anyone who knows of a camera besides the JVC GY-HD250 that has an HD-SDI out on it...(i've had a lot of frustration with that jvc line of cameras starting with the hd100, bad chips, dead pixels, unfriendly codec...)

ok, so if you haven't heard and actually care, juan at reel-stream.com sold the andromeda and hydra technology to an undisclosed entity. he stated on the forum that they are more than likely going to shelve the technology. so, being special fx minded and a more-or-less perfectionist, how am i going to get 4.4.4 color in 1080 progressive HD for less than 8-10k. the one work around that i have figured out but have yet to test is(and i caution you that i i figured this out at about 4am once when i couldn't sleep)... get a nikon D3 or D300. plug the hdmi(v1.3a) cable out from the camera into an hdmi to HD-SDI adapter and send that to a AJA kona3 card in a mac. the problems with this approach(presuming it actually works) are many and varied. 1. there is only one HDMI to HD-SDI converter. it costs $800 and it's interlaced. 2. the D3 has a power adapter, but it's $5000, the D300 is $1500 but it doens't have a power adapter. 3. i presume the signal coming out of the camera is 29.97(nikon won't answer an email asking about the specs for the HDMI adapter). i need to overcrank for slo-mo.... 4.the kona 3 is $3000, and the IO HD doens't send uncompressed color to the mac.... so i need a to get an HD(v) 1080 prog 4.4.4. color from a camera that's under 8-10k. this is primarily for green-screening. to save you the time if you were going to respond telling me that if it's lit properly etc. etc. etc. you can still get a good key at 4.2.2. color, well, i don't want a good key, i want the absolute best key i can get whether i have controlled lighting situations or not. you might say i want this especially for when i do not have good lighting situations available... i do a lot of run and gun, impromptu greenscreening with one client, and for my own project i want the absolute best that is reasonably affordable... thanks for your knowledge if you have any to contribute... :-)

it's a little tiny 3ccd panasonic with a wide angle lense on it...i couldn't tell ya the model number though. i've used it here and there as something a client slaps into my hand and throws me into the middle of something dangerous, like a nascar track wreck...it's great for when you don't want to die filming something ENG style...

their website has no new news since april...i would like to think that the hydra is almost ready...

the newest incarnation of the final cut pro suite has a really good slow-mo in Motion3. i took a busy street scene in south beach(miami area) with lot's of palm fronds and people moving in various directions and speeds and slowed it down to about 33 percent before the algorithim started to become ineffective. it's in the app called motion using the "optical flow" setting, the work flow is fairly easy. since it creates intermediate pixels, it adds a little bit of blur to it. another thing you could do is add motion blur after you key it. it might give you a cool look. after effects has a third party plug-in called reelfx-motion blur from revisionfx.com. or come to think of it, you can hire me to do it.... ;)

the great thing about creating something is that people get what they need to get out of it, whether intended or not... i'm not trying to convince you of any point or angle, but your post about the movie and dishonoring those that tried to stop the terrorists made me think of how when all this was going on in real life i distinctly remember watching 2 seperate news reports of eyewitnesses telling how they saw a missile take that plane down. then i remember seeing the documentary called "loose change" by dylan avery that clearly shows explosive charges going off at the towers and that other building that went down, along with about a million other scientific anomalies about the official story line. i've also seen footage from the cameras near the pentagon, and that certainly was NOT a jumbo jet that hit that building... looked more like somebody strapped a rocket to an airstream trailer and fired it at it. so when i think about those poor souls on that plane who may or may not have been trying to stop the "tearis" (as some of our less educated politicians call them) that hijacked it, and all the first responders and victims in manhattan that died for what basically amounts to political theatre. i get a little bit offended that a supposedly free country of free people continually have to be reminded to be sad and angry and feel the need for vengeance, lest we ever forget the alamo or pearl harbor or 9/11(all three of which were direct responses to less than savory actions taken by the US government -or the people of the republic of texas), and stop sending off our best and bravest young people to die to stop the US dollar from losing it's place as the currency that every other country has to use to buy oil with...the lunatic in charge of iran is now trying to start an oil exchange there that will allow countries to buy oil in their own currencies, and now we are ramping up the rhetoric for war against iran.. oh god, now i'm i-ranting, but that's why it's important to make controversial films like "United 300". inspire people to actually have honest responses to what is going on in the world... and because sometimes it's good to make fun of ohio... your response was a visceral response, and so was mine, therefore they are equally valid... ;)

that's a good and compassionate point, but have you considered that being able to laugh at wounds suffered at the hands of the enemy is somewhat similar to leonidas breaking all the arrows stuck in his shield with his spear?(few images sum up what i personally feel to be the spirit of this country like that one does) that basically says the damage you caused me is merely an annoyance, i have dealt with it, and am still standing tall, waiting for you to actually summon the courage to come close enough to me so that i can kill you. keep in mind that we took this land from a culture that started to settle it during the last ice age, and who actually helped our explorers when they landed. the consequences of that beginning shape our collective destiny to a point. events like 9/11 are a manifestation of that birth and our economic and cultural imperialism. i'm not for terrorism, i think violence solves nothing. but i am not going to spend the rest of my life being brought down by the cowardly, misguided deeds of a few religious fanatics with nothing better to do, that played into the hands of a subsection of our ruling class that wants to exploit it for their own ends i choose to honor the spirit of defiance of tyranny(both from outside our borders and from within) by not giving in to the drama of vengeance kept alive by the media fanning the cold flames of sorrow and pain, that we will be reminded of for the rest of our lives, but instead i choose to make creations that bring a different perspective on life, and how we can make it better, for all, whether they hate us or love us. and i will laugh at those who try and stop me. because i am free

tonight we dine in cleveland... that was awesome...

i traded in an old powerbook g4 here...the have a warehouse full of used macs, i've actually been there...i traded two dual g4's and the powerbook for a dual G5 1.8 ghz. it's been rendering away without a problem for probably 6 months now... www.macofalltrades.com now i wish i hadn't as i have settled on the hvx as my camera of choice...doh!

thanks Thomas, i had forgotten about that option. i just talked to sony this morning. they said that the processor is upstream from the hdmi out so all that you can get out of the hdmi is 1080i 60fps, or 1080p 24/30fps at 4:2:2.... i'm gonna look into the reel-stream option though. and a big honkin HD array....

hi everyone, i'm looking very seriously at the v1u, so i have questions about other user's experiences with it. my question is this, sony's own documentation lists it as * Scanning System: 1080/60p 4:2:2 -and- Recording format 1080/60i, 480/60i (NTSC) if i'm not mistaken that means that the image is originally non-interlaced, but the camera processes it to an interlaced output. does the HDMI out bypass the scanning and recording system? will it be truly uncompressed 4:4:4 or kinda uncompressed 4:2:2? i would like to record a 4:4:4 1080p image at 60 fps for slo-mo purposes(the built in slo-mo is too lossy to actually use). as an added complication, it has to be keyed, so i'd like to capture from the HDMI out. thanks for your time!