Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

Some type of dust mitigation system may be a good option to put on a 'big boy' scanner. Now, I don't know how practical this is, or even if it is already incorporated in cine' film scanners to some degree. This would involve dust mitigation via a low power compressed air blower to pre-dust the film in a vacuum sealed scanning cabinet. Many cine' scanners already look like they operate in glass door enclosures.

Just a few years back I bought a quart of Edwal for $40's. Now it is $70's and B&H wont ship due to restrictions. Another reason to look for a fast drying, film cleaner replacement.

That is a tough grade you got. Basically, your image is too blue, at least on my monitor. That is the trouble with grades. They look different on every device you view them on. They are not like a print. Even then, the print depends on the lighting. These grades may look terrible on your monitor, but they look OK on mine. The color grading was done to the max adjustment for warming it in Lightroom 5. Also, some tests with desaturation a notch and some additional tint control in some. The only thing what did pretty good was max warming and hand retouching the whites. I don't remember which image was which, so don't ask. Just playing around with options. The image with the whitest eyes were retouched. The rest of the images did not have the eyes retouched. If you want to keep your images blue with white eyes, I think you are going to have a hard time unless they have some crazy AI software for it. Do they have cine' retouching software that can just target the white of the eyes or does it have to be done frame by frame? I'm thinking your lightning / color balance was bad...but I'm no expert on lighting. Maybe she does have blue eyes? Good luck figuring it out!

Got timed out... Disregard 'Same with cine' film scanning' above.

I think it was Dan Baxter that had posted a sample scan from a Retroscan and a Lasergraphics scanner on another film forum. It was hard to see that much difference just looking at the image. He had also scanned the optical soundtracks. If you looked at the smallest details of the optical tracks, you could see some difference and the Lasergraphics was sharper. So, if you are comparing scanner for res, look to scans of the optical track if you are having trouble with comparisons. With flatbed scanners we got res targets we can use. But they (good ones) are made of glass. So, they can't be used on drum scanners. And making a dupe of the res target on film won't reproduce the finest details in the chart. None of the flatbed scanners I've tried can reproduce the finest or even the next to the finest or the next to that finest detail that needs to be viewed in a microscope. 6400 dpi scan of red box above is at glass level using a Epson V500 scanner. I've also done extensive tests with scanner focus. Every scanner is different. But the V500 seems to do best at glass level. B&H sells res targets, but they are the low-grade ones. They seem to be repros of the glass targets with poor center details. Good glass targets are a few hundred $$ each. Same with cine' film scanning. Fashion shoot on Wall Street (Candid) - D.D.Teoli Jr. I'm not much of a pixel peeper. But you have to have confidence in your gear and know its limitations. So, I do a little pixel peeping to get my proverbial bearings. For me, pixel peeping is more important in archival work than with shooting photos. If your gear is good, you spend your time producing images and not in peeping for pixels. But that presupposes you can produce quality material to start with.

They have discussed a little film cleaner attachment you can use on projectors for use with scanners. But do any scanners have a compressed air or vacuum system built into the scanner to mitigate dust? In the old days, all the film leader was acetate. Now it is hard to get acetate leader and it is very costly. But a benefit of acetate was its antistatic qualities. The poly leader of today is a dust magnet. And it is not that cheap either. On a side note... If you get an old projector to test, run white poly leader through it. It picks up all the dirt and also gives you a clue if your rollers are gummy. Projector with bad rollers Or if you got other problems... Before you run film in it. Photos: D.D.Teoli Jr. <><><><> ..film porn for Steven Spielberg! Internet Photo: Fair Use

Anyone try it? Edwal is pretty high priced stuff compared to a quart of alcohol.

That would be an interesting experiment... Photo: D.D.Teoli Jr. Cut off the sprockets off a 10 foot piece of film and clean it, then clean the next 10 feet of film with the sprockets. Archival film is generally pretty filthy stuff. Although if you get film from a film collector, some have routinely cleaned and lubed the film, and it is not too bad. Only problem is; with an ADD'er, they hate repetitive, monotonous work. Cutting sprockets off for 20 feet of film is hell. <><><><> Borrowdale Overhead Process Camera - DDTJRAC

VIP ad 1971 DDTJRAC I think it looks better on the gal! They used one-piece jumpsuits for parachuting, so your clothes didn't blow off. Nowadays a jumpsuit is something different in the fashion world... jumpsuit - Google Search I like the rompers...reminds me of Romper Room. But we didn't have that in the Romper Room! romper - Google Search Fashion is an interesting area of collection. My fashion Archive goes back to the mid 1800's. FIT in NYC has some of my stuff, among other special collections.

Thanks Tyler...impressive.

OK, thanks for the info Robert. How much res is lost with wet gate? 5%? 10% Do you have any test comparison photos? Wet mounting film for scans reduces res on flatbed scanner. Is this the SD Rank Telecine? I like to 'see' what is being talked about.

The wet gate is not that big a deal to me. But how is the FilmFabriek with warped film? Does it offer a warped gate or is it like the Retroscan and film just runs with no flattening to it at all?

It is for the 'real' big boys Robert.

If you are using fast drying cleaners, you may be leaving lots of dirt on your films. Just depends on the machine and process, I guess. I've never used one. I can only say when I use a fast drying film cleaner by hand, it leaves lots of dirt as compared to a slow drying film cleaner. What about these ultrasonic cleaners? But that is another thread. Now, where are the photos of you and your cleaning machines in action? I don't get it. you are supposed to be imaged based people...put in some photos with your text once in a while. Lipsner Smith CF8200 HFE Film Cleaner Photo: eBay Fair Use That would make a great post for this forum. A rundown on film cleaners!

Everything is getting hard to get. FilmFabriek companied they had trouble getting parts. I try to stock up on items if I can afford it. I won't get into politics, but if things escalate in the world and chips are under fire, more than they are now, we will really be screwed. My Epson ink has gone from $55 to $79 per cartridge. It has a big gold-plated chip right on top. And I use 9 of the cartridges. Maybe the next step is... I will have to buy outdated ink on eBay? Jeeesus, what a mess. M-Disc has gone from $2.15 a disc to $3 a disc. And they were hard to get for months. Verbatim discontinued their affordable M-Disc. ($1 per disc.) Maybe their license expired? Right now I need 700 - 800 M-Disc for my VHS archive. All I have is 67. I could never afford to bulk up on them when they were cheaper. I would just buy a few hundred $ worth every so often.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?dir=uploads0503&file=EccoFilmCleanersmall.jpg How long does it take to clean? Do you like cleaning by hand with rewinds better? Yes, film cleaning is a pain. http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?dir=uploads0503&file=FOC1small.jpg 8mm Forum: Product Review: Film-O-Clean (film-tech.com) I'm thinking the Film-O-Clean won't handle filthy films. Film is pretty filthy stuff! – Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection (wordpress.com) This is from just a few feet of film I deal with.

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Looks like the film cleaner is extinct. Also, a foreign company. Why can't US companies make an affordable film cleaner??

GD...who calls the HDS+ a toy? Let me guess. I'd be thrilled to get one. If I was young and could do a backflip I would. How did you get into all this work? You had mentioned you do it as a side gig for extra income. I think you said made $$ in the stock market and bought the scanner to go into the stock footage biz. But that is very odd for someone with no film background to go into, especially the restoration end of things. Well, when you hit the big time and can get a ScanStation you can also sell a manual and DVD series on how to work one. That is the sad thing about open content work. While it is very rewarding to do only as you please, most of the time, there will never be any 'hitting it big' unless you happen to be Prelinger.

Everything has its price Dan. No need to make excuses for the Retroscan. If you have no budget...the Retroscan is the only scanner choice. When I bought mine, I sold my 23 yo Harley 883 for $2600. I put a couple thousand $$ on my maxed our credit card and a lady loaned me the rest. I didn't buy the scanner to make a penny, I bought it to preserve history...cine' history. If I had to scan people's films for $$, I'd hate it. Sure, I will buy an interesting home movie to scan, but I won't scan boring, low end, garbage home movies or movies that do not interest me...even if they offer $$. I won't do it. No time for it. Too much fascinating work I can't get to because of time....and money. Time, money, expertise and space are the limiting factors Dan. Money is stored energy...and with money you can buy all 4.

What does the wet gate do to res? With still scans, wet mounting reduces res.

Macro Photography Lens Tests (coinimaging.com) Here is a massive list of field tests for small lenses that are used for reproduction. Dunno if they are adaptable to cine's scanners, but maybe some are if you need to upgrade your lens.

Now, another thing the scanner company could do is make a discussion forum...like this one. I was on a scanning forum for still photos. They use digital cameras and not scanners for the job. Fantastic little forum. All the free downloads, videos etc. Just amazing what they breast feed you...AMAZING! And what is the company? They sell a cheap piece of software...yet they give you a zillion times more than Lasergraphics would give you in 10 lifetimes. How is this possible??? Tell me Perry. Yet companies making cine' scanners, that only the filthy rich can afford, can give you crap.

Clip of Early Wingsuit & Airplane Stunt Accident : D.D.Teoli Jr. A.C. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Any of you complainers that say your filmmaking career is not up to snuff...be grateful you don't do this for a living! That early wingsuit is something! I wanted to get into that. But my mentor got splattered all over some rocks with one. I'm too old now and got too much work to do to get splattered.

Some guy online says Lasergraphics is the standard that all other scanners are compared to. Maybe so, dunno. Fanboy Perry may say so, we will have to see what more levelheaded Robert has to say. As far as I'm concerned...Lasergraphics stinks with customer service. I've written about the issues extensively here. No time to keep beating a dead horse. (Perry) And in the big picture, even if Lasergraphics is the best scanner in the world...you have to be able to afford one and you have to pay them money to answer their emails. But why do you need all those machines? Can't you get happy with just one scanner? In the photography world we got 'camera fondlers.' They like collecting cameras and fingering them rather than actually taking photos. I hope you don't end up like that. ...well gotta go and do some work. Hope to be back soon to catch up. Thanks to all the members who replied here!