John Adolfi Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Would like to hear from anyone who has shot negative Super8 film. I'd like to hear the pluses and minuses. Cinepost's transfer guy told me that Kodachrome transfers the best. Negative looks like bad super8. Please I would prefer actual experience not textbook information. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 It depends on where you have it transferred, their equipment. some places use older Ranks. if you want the best go with higher end like Flying Spot. the only drawback to the color negs is the cost of telecine. the new V2500T has very decent grain for a film that fast. K-40 will transfer better of course because of its low speed/finer grain. but I would rarely use a 200 or 500 speed film in a case where K-40 will expose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 here's a still frame of V2 500T Super 8, transferred at Flying Spot. http://www.8mm.filmshooting.com/scripts/ga...PDXPop_001_0003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adolfi Posted September 26, 2004 Author Share Posted September 26, 2004 What are the top 3 Rank or anyother manufactured transfer machines used for super8 transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPW Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Would like to hear from anyone who has shot negative Super8 film. I'd like to hear the pluses and minuses. Cinepost's transfer guy told me that Kodachrome transfers the best. Negative looks like bad super8. Please I would prefer actual experience not textbook information. Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My brother and I used Super 8 neg, on a short two years ago. We liked it, but understood that it wasn't really a 16 replacement....more like an alternative. I'd say that it is nice for small projects. I'll try to post some stills from the short. I assume that you are looking at stock from Pro8mm... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adolfi Posted September 26, 2004 Author Share Posted September 26, 2004 Thanks for responding. My goal as I shoot Super8 is to get the absolute best picture I can get. Yes I guess I too want it to look like 16mm. As for shooting Pro8m, I could and Kodak has the ASA 200 and 500 so there is a choise today. I may just stick with purchasing the two emulsions from Kodak unless I need something specific from pro8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Neary Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Cinepost's transfer guy told me that Kodachrome transfers the best. Negative looks like bad super8. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wrong wrong wrong!!!! (well, it depends on how you shoot it, and where you transfer, I guess) Super-8 neg can look fantastic, and very much like 16mm, if that's what you want. Plus it's really fun to shoot. Send your stuff to flying spot in seattle, and you'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I haven't used them, but Pro8mm has a bad rap for poor telecine.. and they are using the old vision stocks. if you use a good lense, Kodak V2, and Flying Spot.. you will be impressed that it was S-8 you shot. i have been blown away since i started using the new negs with FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted September 27, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted September 27, 2004 I haven't used them, but Pro8mm has a bad rap for poor telecine.. and they are using the old vision stocks. if you use a good lense, Kodak V2, and Flying Spot.. you will be impressed that it was S-8 you shot. i have been blown away since i started using the new negs with FS. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Kodak VISION2 films have significantly improved grain and sharpness, especially important in Super-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adolfi Posted September 27, 2004 Author Share Posted September 27, 2004 And Flying Spot will develop and transfer ASA500 Vision 2 super 8 stock? Where can I by some of it? Who's got the best price? I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 You can order straight from Kodak.. 1-800-621-3456. process and prep at Forde Labs in Seattle, request telecine from Flying Spot.. they send it to Flying Spot when processed.. FS sends it back to you. be sure to include a good mini DV tape to send along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adolfi Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Thank you and which brings up a good question. What constitutes a "good" Mini DV Tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Wells Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Would like to hear from anyone who has shot negative Super8 film. I'd like to hear the pluses and minuses. Cinepost's transfer guy told me that Kodachrome transfers the best. Negative looks like bad super8. Please I would prefer actual experience not textbook information. Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have now shot quite a bit of the negative films in Super8, both the Kodak and Pro8 branded films (although all of these are of course Kodak emulsions) My opinion is that if you know you are going to have the footage transfered via Rank or similar then you might as well shoot negative and take advantage of the larger variety of stocks, the degree of manipulation facilitated by the use of neg during telecine and the fact that the neg stocks play back better on TV screens than the traditional stocks like K40, although this is, to a degree, a matter of opinion and depends on what type of 'look' you are after. I have found the Vision 200T and Vision2 200T to produce excellent results without intrusive grain. The look is superb and very distinctive. The EXR 50D from Pro8mm is good for snowscapes etc and I have had some excellent footage of sking etc. - very low grain, etc. The Vision 500T from Pro8 is surprisingly low grain in good light, but if you take it to the limit in terms of low light then the grain can become intrusive. However saying this I have had some surprisingly good results from inside a very dark bar. All in all I would reccomend the use of the neg stocks because you have a much easier time lighting and I really don't think the grain is as bas as some make out. In a nutshell it has a very distinctive look which I believe compliments brilliantly other film and video formats. And I don't mean compliment in that it looks "bad" I mean compliment in that it looks a quality image, but with very different contrast and colour saturation. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb40 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Just wanted to thank everyone for this post. Very informative. I have been planning a short to be shot on V2500T and now I feel much more confident that I will be able to produce interesting, high quality images. I want to shoot with much available light and NYC streets at night. Has anyone of you shot footage like this? Any samples I can see on the net? Also, should I use slow reversal stock for outdoors daytime footage or can I stick with the neg for everything? -steve http://www.insomniacreations.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I will be coming back from Flying Spot next week with some V2 500T night shots, under street lights.. i'm hoping for the best. so far i've shot 30-40 carts under stage lights with stunning results. a few neon exteriors with the same great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Wells Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Also, should I use slow reversal stock for outdoors daytime footage or can I stick with the neg for everything? -steve I would stick with negative because Kodachrome and ektachrome both have very different solour saturation to the negative stocks (and to each other). Don't worry about overexposure, I would just have some neuteral density filters handy - although you could get away without any even in the brightest scene, but you will be working right at the smallest aperture. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted October 1, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted October 1, 2004 I will be coming back from Flying Spot next week with some V2 500T night shots, under street lights.. i'm hoping for the best. so far i've shot 30-40 carts under stage lights with stunning results. a few neon exteriors with the same great results. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Interesting. I've been thinking shooting a live performance, either an opera or a stage play on Super-8. It could have an interesting look on stage, especially if the cameras are handheld (do the master shot on a second pass). My idea was to get 4 Nizos of the ##56 or ##80 series and have two running at all times and then rotate out the 2 cameras for film changes after starting the other two cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb40 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I would stick with negative because Kodachrome and ektachrome both have very different solour saturation to the negative stocks (and to each other). Don't worry about overexposure, I would just have some neuteral density filters handy - although you could get away without any even in the brightest scene, but you will be working right at the smallest aperture. Matt <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great. I was pretty set on using the negative but just wanted an opinion. I'll pick up an ND filter. Thanks very much. -steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb40 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I will be coming back from Flying Spot next week with some V2 500T night shots, under street lights.. i'm hoping for the best. so far i've shot 30-40 carts under stage lights with stunning results. a few neon exteriors with the same great results. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd love to see a few samples. Perhaps a quicktime or some stills. thanks, -steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 I'll try posting a still here of some S-8 V2 500T. the guy in this shot is in motion.. the real time is very sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Shooting super8 neg can be as expensive as shooting s16mm neg, even more expensive :angry: I'd love to shoot some neg with my cameras, but it really isn't too economical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Burke Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 a couple of things, im harassing people into wanting to use double super8 because it makes using super8 neg not only better for mechanical reasons but becasuse itll make the cost of using super8 neg the way it should be...way cheaper than 16mm. those interested in ds8 can email me at bloopoid@yahoo.com and ill ad you to my group. tink about 10 minutes of super8 neg at the cost of a roll of bought and processed 100ft roll of 16mm film. thats cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Burke Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 oh yeah, imagine 100t in super8 neg, looks likje we are getting a batch of it in ds8, any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Wells Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Shooting super8 neg can be as expensive as shooting s16mm neg, even more expensive :angry: I'd love to shoot some neg with my cameras, but it really isn't too economical. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think that you have to view Super8 as a format that produces a very different and distict look, rather than as a purely economic choice. It can look superb intercut with other film and video formats. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku Naskali Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 oh yeah, imagine 100t in super8 neg, looks likje we are getting a batch of it in ds8, any takers? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I am if it's cheap. Are you ordering it as a large bulk from Kodak? And I agree with Wells that it's a different look. Though I've always shot K40 if I wanted the familiar super8 look. I don't think the negs are too much different to s16mm, except for the apparent grain and sharpness issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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