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Vision 500 Film and Super 8 cameras


Elena Sorre

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I'm going to try out some Vision 500 film in my old GAF S805 super 8 sound camera but the film says to use with "high speed" cameras.

Are there "high speed" super 8 cameras?

I've only used Ektachrome and Kodachrome before.

Any advice or help?

 

Elena

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I'm going to try out some Vision 500 film in my old GAF S805 super 8 sound camera but the film says to use with "high speed" cameras.

Are there "high speed" super 8 cameras?

I've only used Ektachrome and Kodachrome before.

Any advice or help?

 

Elena

 

 

Hi Elena,

 

I'm not familiar with your GAF S805. Does it have manual aperature? At 24 fps many super 8 cameras expose the film at *about* 1/90th of a second. I suggest using a hand held meter and using an ASA between EI 250 and EI 500. Then use the aperature that your meter gives you at a 90th (or what ever shutter fits the fps you are using with your GAF....

 

hope this helps,

 

Steve

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The only super 8 camera that comes close to that is the Beaulieu 4008 as a "normal" setting. Some people complain it's got a slightly strobe look to the footage when the camera is moved. I'm not sure what the exact number is off-hand. All the rest are 1/60 - 1/50 range for non-xl cameras and in the 1/40 - 1/30 range for nice and blurry motion xl cameras.

 

I would think that the "high speed" label only refers to cameras which can read the high speed film notches. 500 being a high speed film and having a longer notch than the other film carts like K40 (a slow film speed) and Ektachrome (a medium speed film). Some super 8 cameras can't. I have no idea if the Gaf model described can. Wish I could tell you, Elena.

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Are you sure about that? That would be a relatively narrow shutter angle of only 96 degrees. :huh:

 

 

Thanks John - My B4008 - which is a new camera for me - shoots at 90th of a second at 24 fps. That is information from the camera user manual (not in front of me at the moment) The Beaulieu 4008 is not a variable shutter angle camera.

 

My estimate that *many* super 8 cameras record at *about* a 90th at 24fps is not based on empirical evidence. That is why I suggest checking the specs on the camera in question.

 

My advice, in this case, is mostly conceptual:

 

1) figure out the approximate shutter speed of the camera.

2) meter for an aperature at an ASA between 250 and 500 with a fixed shutter speed

3) if it's a daylight shoot don't forget to compensate for 85 filtration

4) with 7218 err on the side of overexposure.

 

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That 1/90 second shutter speed really surprises me too. (Are they selling the "Private Ryan Look" as a feature ?)

 

Seriously are you sure this isn't like the old Bolex so called "adapted shutter speed ?" where a "1/80" shutter speed was given for ~ 1/65 actual shutter spped so as to give allowance for light loss in the camera's beam splitting prism ?

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all the reflex optics in a S8 (excluding Beaulieu mirror-shutter etc) would eat up 1/3 stop and I'd expect more (the very reason the XL models were introduced).

 

It's been too many years since I owned an S8 camera, but the Nizo Special (really an S-56) I had - probably lost ~ 1/2 stop.

 

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got to be a mis-interpresting in the first place; "only for cameras accepting high speed films" (either in manual or auto mode)

 

 

from 1 of my old posts on filmshooting.com

 

That said, I've had some great fun with the variable shutter on my Beaulieu 4008 -- you can get some incredibly edgy motion with the lens wide open and a reduced shutter 'angle' (never know how to word that with a guillotine mechanism).

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usually referred to as half open and you may well use a degrees equivalent shutter angle/speed:

 

expose1.jpg

expose2.jpg

expose3.jpg

 

s/hoot

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the beaulies dont use a prism, but a gillotine shutter (goes up and down) so one cant really talk of shutter angle... but 100% of the light hits the film when the shutter is open (well, actually something like 99% or so, since there is a built in clear filter that is engaged if you switch off the 85).. it's the only super8 camera that has no light loss due to a prism (and the only one with true ground glass)

 

the 4008 series has a shutter speed of 1/86 sec at 24fps, the 5008 has 1/60 sec at 24fps, the 6008-9008 have two settings, LL at 1/60 and normal at 1/96.

 

hope that clears things up

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Great table!

 

Wow - there is far more variance than I assumed among different cameras. Thanks for clearing this up for us.

 

Thanks for posting it.

 

edit: I'm surprised the Canon 1014XLS runs at 1/39th !?!? That does not sound correct to me. No wonder some of these cameras produce such soft images....

 

Steve

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edit: I'm surprised the Canon 1014XLS runs at 1/39th !?!? That does not sound correct to me. No wonder some of these cameras produce such soft images....

 

Steve

 

that's when the camera is set to 220° shutter angle. When set to 150° shutter speed is 1/58 sec.

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the beaulies dont use a prism, but a gillotine shutter (goes up and down) so one cant really talk of shutter angle... but 100% of the light hits the film when the shutter is open (well, actually something like 99% or so, since there is a built in clear filter that is engaged if you switch off the 85).. it's the only super8 camera that has no light loss due to a prism (and the only one with true ground glass)

 

the 4008 series has a shutter speed of 1/86 sec at 24fps, the 5008 has 1/60 sec at 24fps, the 6008-9008 have two settings, LL at 1/60 and normal at 1/96.

 

hope that clears things up

++ christoph ++

 

---the guillotine is the reflex mirror not the actual shutter. The quillotine swings into place when the shutter is closed , and out before the shutter opens.

This set up will give you more light to the viewfinder.

 

The eclair ACL has a similar set up.

 

BNCRs and Panaflexes have seperate variable angle camera shutters and rotating reflex mirror shutters.

 

---LV

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