Jim Malone Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I just watched Delicatessen. I was completely blown away by the cinematography. It really fits my aesthetic sensibilities. To me every frame was absolutely perfect. I love the color and composition. Can anyone tell me about the color on this film? The whole film was very warm and yellowish. The color blue did not appear in the film (that I saw) until the very last shot. How is this look achieved? I can't imagine that it is done in with color grading in post as I don't believe they were doing that so much back in 1991. Is it all about using lights with warm colored gels? Or is there a specific film stock that can be used to achieve this look? Please advise. Anything you can tell me, even just observations about how it was shot, lit, composed, would be great. Many thanks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fstop Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Art direction, warm lens filtration/coloured gels, daylight balanced film and bleach bypass/ENR to whack up the contrast. I remember hearing that the film's optical effects were ten times more complicated because of the distinct pallette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Salzmann Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 ENR process with 5248 that was flashed with a Varicon. This was combined with very thorough art direction for the sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Guilfoyle Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Check out the book "New Cinematographers" by Alexander Ballinger. It has a lot of technical info on Khondji's techniques. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Malone Posted May 24, 2006 Author Share Posted May 24, 2006 Jeunet said in the commentary that they sent a version for release in the USA without the ENR process being done on it. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a copy of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted May 30, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted May 30, 2006 I was traineeing color grading at Eclair's lab when Yvan Lucas graded this film. He really is a great color timist. The technics used on the shooting, I don't know, just heard there was no blue things on the set, but I can tell you it was not bleach bypass, it was accelerator bypass. I never heard of Varicon flash, but it doesn't mean there was no, I just would be astonished there was, since I didn't hear that... 5248 for sure. At this time there was no DI but of course there was traditionnal grading, that means working on the 3 : R, G, B channel. The Darius's will was a "dry blood color". It's basically no blue, so, yellowish and a bit of red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted May 31, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted May 31, 2006 I never heard of Varicon flash, but it doesn't mean there was no, I just would be astonished there was, since I didn't hear that... In the very nice book that Evan mention, Darius Khondji says that he used the Varicon for the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted May 31, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted May 31, 2006 Ok,then. I realised after I posted that one thing that astonished me when I was "working" at Eclair is that color timer are sometimes not aware much of how the film was shot... Sometimes they are sometimes not. And Yvan just did not mention that. As for ENR. Do you know if it was used on this one ? This I don't know either, it was the final timing only I assisted. But One thing I know for sure is that it was not skip bleach put skip accelerator (the pos, not the neg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted May 31, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted May 31, 2006 The didn't use ENR per se, but the similar process that you described (accelerator bypass), which according to Khondji gives you the look of a fifty percent bleach-by-pass. Since all these bleach-bypass processes are based on the same principle, the look would be similar to ENR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted May 31, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted May 31, 2006 Wel, Jim should be happy with all these informations, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Malone Posted August 3, 2006 Author Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yes, I am very happy with all this information. Thanks a million! Incidently, I watched the directors commentary and I am pretty sure he did say they used an ENR process on the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted August 3, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 3, 2006 I recall now that they did nothing special to the neg itself it's all by the print process. Is ENR process for the pos only or for the neg ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 3, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 3, 2006 I recall now that they did nothing special to the neg itself it's all by the print process. Is ENR process for the pos only or for the neg ? ENR is for prints only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted August 3, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 3, 2006 Thank you, David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted August 4, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 4, 2006 Thank you, David. It's because ENR requires an extra b&w developing tank to be installed in the ECP-2B processor, unlike skip-bleach which can be done in either neg or positive because it just involves skipping the bleach step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adam Frisch FSF Posted August 4, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 4, 2006 I must admit that although I love the work of Jeunet and Khondji, the ultra-wide imagery of Delicatessen and La Cité des Enfants Perdu can sometimes take me right out of it. Obviously they're there for comedic effect - and serve that purpose well - it's just that I keep longing for some mid- to longer lens imagery to show up (and they never kind of do). Another problem with 'extreme' looks is that they don't age very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted August 5, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted August 5, 2006 Thanks again, very interesting It's because ENR requires an extra b&w developing tank to be installed in the ECP-2B processor, unlike skip-bleach which can be done in either neg or positive because it just involves skipping the bleach step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Bowerbank Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I got the DVD a few months ago, the new transfer looked great, except for some flickering during the scenes where Dominique Pinon is first arriving at the hotel, which pissed me off a little :/ Hopefully an even better transfer will be made available in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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