oscar jimenez Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Users of new 7217, any comments on image rendering ( color saturation, contrast capabilities, etc.) VS. 7274? I'm a devoted fan of 74 stock, but I will like to know users impressions , experiences on 7217 stock!! Regards Oscar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted January 13, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 13, 2005 Users of new 7217, any comments on image rendering ( color saturation, contrast capabilities, etc.) VS. 7274? I'm a devoted fan of 74 stock, but I will like to know users impressions , experiences on 7217 stock!!Regards Oscar <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From the demos and tests I've seen, they are very close compared to the bigger quality leap between 79 and 18. I guess with the slower stocks, there was less to improve. 17 has got that Vision-2 look, i.e. it's slightly less contrasty and less saturated than 74, which looks punchier. The grain is slightly better with 17 -- and 17 also matches very closely to 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscar jimenez Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 Thank's a lot David. Cheers Oscar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The grain improvement is quite noticable in S-8 between 74 and 17. the 7217 is much more suitable for S-8 in my opinion. even the 7218 looks finer grain than the 74.. based on what i've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Mastrogiacomo Posted January 14, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 14, 2005 The grain improvement is quite noticable in S-8 between 74 and 17. the 7217 is much more suitable for S-8 in my opinion. even the 7218 looks finer grain than the 74.. based on what i've seen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The interviews on Kodak's free DVD "The Difference" were shot on 7217. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted January 14, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 14, 2005 No, 18 is NOT finer-grained than 74, sorry. 18 is a 500 ASA stock with the grain structure of a 250 to 320 ASA stock, a big improvement -- but it does not have the grain of a lower-than-200 ASA stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Wells Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The 18 is Super8 is incredible, for a 500ASA film. The 17, however, I am finding it hard to see bery much improvement over the older 74. Infact I had some amazing results of the 74, and I have to say I have so far not been as happy with the 17. - might just be me though. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Williamson Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I shot tests last summer in regular 16mm testing a number of Kodak stocks, getting both a work print and video transfer to Mini-DV. To my eyes, 7217 appears to be sharper than 7274, slightly less saturated and slightly finer grained. Although it's subtle, I feel like I can see the difference. I've heard the differences between the two stocks are more pronounced in 16mm than in 35mm, perhaps someone with more experience like John Pytlak could comment on that? I also felt that the 7217 transferred to video a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Achterberg Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I shot a short on 7217 and it was sharp, fine grained even shoot 1/4 of a stop under came out great, I like these Vision2 stocks, I havent yet tried any Vision stock yet but maybe in the near future, I've got 1000' of 5279 sittin under my bed for a rainy day. would like to shoot it before I graduate. and I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The 18 is Super8 is incredible, for a 500ASA film. The 17, however, I am finding it hard to see bery much improvement over the older 74. Infact I had some amazing results of the 74, and I have to say I have so far not been as happy with the 17. - might just be me though. Matt <{POST_SNAPBACK}> technicaly the 7218 is not as fine grain as the 74, what I was trying to get at is the 7218 that I have done in Super 8, looked better than most of the super 8 7274 footage i have seen. I think it mostly had to do with a difference in transfers. but the 18 is one fine looking film in S-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Costantini Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 17 has very little grain compared to 18. and very good contrast too. probably a little less than 74. honestly I don´t think it cuts very well with 18, could be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted January 15, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 15, 2005 I shot a comparison between 17 and 18 and projected it on a large screen and the director was like "I don't understand what I'm supposed to be looking at -- they look the same!" And he was right -- it was REALLY close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Costantini Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 David, did you test in 16 or 35mm? I´ll test again as soon as i have the chance. And I hope the labs here are as precise as in Los Angeles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted January 17, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 17, 2005 35mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted January 18, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 18, 2005 Improved sharpness and graininess are most apparent in the smaller formats: http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/...s/v2/news.shtml http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/...wvision2P.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...0.1.4.4.4&lc=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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