Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 12, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 I have a two week job coming up with my Moviecam SL. I'm considering having the camera in the B&W standard def video assist upgraded to HD. Anyone done this before? Would any technicians happen to know which model of video camera is in the B&W tap? Would either of the HD cameras used in the Arricam video assists be a good fit? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 12, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 Here's the SL B&W tap I'm referring to: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny N Suleimanagich Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) I've looked into this for my 416. The Arricam and 435 HD-IVS units were produced in pretty small numbers and therefore are themselves uncommon, and pretty bespoke to those cameras. You might be able to do it if you wired in a new camera and made the BNC out into an HD-SDI, but you might lose some of the functionality (if any) of the built-in circuitry (the 416 features an extensive menu). I'd love to know what you work out. Many people have told me it can't be done, but I hesitate to believe them, mostly because when the 416 came out in 2007 the GoPro and Flip cameras weren't really widely adopted. Edited April 12, 2016 by Kenny N Suleimanagich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted April 12, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 I can't think of a reason it can't be done. You just need to find an imager and chip set with full logic control from china. A lot of companies on Alibaba, will send you samples and there are many of them on their. The big catch with a film camera is not to have AGC. You need manual gain control, which can be done by a switch on the side if you can get the right chipset with a decent pin out. Imager placement and size are critical, but if you measure the housing and imager you have now, it shouldn't be that difficult for a machinist to mimic what already exists and buy an imager that's identical size to the original one. It would need to be a whole new housing, not just modifying what already exists. Also, you probably will struggle to find an HDSDI output chipset, most of them are mini-hdmi. Mini converters are pretty cheap and small today, so you could buy one, strap it onto the side of the camera and get 4 HDSDI outputs from a single HDMI input. I wish camera manufacturers stuck to ONE style of video tap. But if you did find a chip set that worked, it could lead to quite a market of building HD video taps. Though unless you did all the work yourself as a pet project, I can't see any of this being very inexpensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 12, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 Thanks guys, that's about what I figured. I opened the tap up the other day to check it out and it's full of circuit boards, so it doesn't seem to be as simple as just replacing the camera. It's frustrating as the video camera functionality is so simple. There's no overlays or metadata, just the image out of composite BNC, a power switch, and an iris control. I'm talking to Greg Defoe at Defoetech who is local and has build Moviecam taps, but he doesn't seem to think it will be so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted April 12, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think what you'd need really is just an adapter of some kind to bolt a new housing onto the existing. This really doesn't sound all that difficult; I bet you could find a machine vision camera somewhere which has roughly the same chip size as what's already there. Everything else is just wiring in inputs/outputs or even making converters to power the thing and get the ____ to HDSDI. Even if you needed an optic i don't see what as impossible to find-- it would just take some tinkering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny N Suleimanagich Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'm keen to know what you figure out Satsuki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted April 12, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'm talking to Greg Defoe at Defoetech who is local and has build Moviecam taps, but he doesn't seem to think it will be so easy. A good machinist and some chinese electronics should be all you need. If I had the money, I'd make one for my Aaton, but it would be expensive to machine properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 12, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 The trouble is the job starts in two weeks, so I don't really have time to tinker with it myself. Oh well. Worst case, we'll have a few AJA A-D boxes velcro'd to the director and client monitors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted April 12, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 12, 2016 Yep, just run the boxes for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 13, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 13, 2016 Some stills from my prep today. Don't know why some of them are showing up here upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny N Suleimanagich Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Looks like whatever those ribbon wires are going to is an imager attached to the optical block which likely controls the iris function too. Can you tell if the IRIS dial is mechanical, or fly by wire? If it’s the former then my money is on you being able to rig something up pretty simply, with almost the same functionality. When I fly my 416 the steadicam op usually has had an HD sled, and we use an AJA box to switch everything. You could probably rip one of these open, and strip it down to the bare minimum. Then find an elegant way to mate the imager to the optics, along with power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted April 13, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think it's a simple mechanical iris control: There is an auto exposure function working simultaneously that I can't turn off. Don't know if it's actually the iris that is opening and closing, but I think that it is. Thanks Kenny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted April 13, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted April 13, 2016 Yea mechanical iris. The auto iris changes the gain most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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