Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted August 29, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) a simple one to confirm what i think..... do I frame a scene within the thick black frame (i.e. the demarcated area INSIDE the thick black frame) or from the 'safe area' markings in the corners...... Edited August 29, 2017 by Stephen Perera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 The thick black line is the frame line. The lines inside the corners are 'TV Safe' designed to compensate for TV sets that overscan. This tends not to be a problem these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted August 29, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) thanks...so inside the thick black line.....Arsenal didn't do great this weekend...Man U myself Edited August 29, 2017 by Stephen Perera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Young Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Don't forget to shoot a framing chart! http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=15084 http://www.stringercam.com/articles/frameing.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Don't forget to shoot a framing chart! There's no need unless he is framing with the intention to crop in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 1, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted September 1, 2017 thanks all...as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 1, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted September 1, 2017 cou Don't forget to shoot a framing chart! http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=15084 http://www.stringercam.com/articles/frameing.html l'd you explain the framing chart procedure in simple terms..... as I understand it logically its like when I shoot Hasselblad 6 x 6 with the intention of using the shot say in an A4 portrait brochure...I would produce a mask on my ground glass of two lines as a framing guide to know how much surplus width I have in the frame in this case...... ......in THIS case I would be rolling standard 16mm gate with a standard 16mm ground glass..... so if I wanted to shoot for a 16:9 TV ratio for example how does a framing chart translate to this.....the workflow for me is shoot the film...send to lab and they telecine or 2k scan and I run it all in daVinci resolve.....should I wish to create a widescreen version of it all I would need to know that whilst Im shooting of course...... so in reality I see 'the problem' being for me to somehow see the lines of my framing for widescreen as I shoot as I will do my own post framing and editing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Shooting a framing chart only helps if it corresponds to markings in the VF. If you have access to a camera technician, you could ask them to remove the ground glass and temporarily mark it with scotch tape in a 16:9 ratio. This often done with older 16mm cameras, and works pretty well. You just do a center extraction in post. If you can't get this done, the other option is to use what is called a 'Top-line' extraction. This where you frame with normal headroom in the 4:3 frame, but make sure there is nothing important in the bottom 1/5 of the frame. Then, in post you extract the 16:9 frame using the top of the 4:3 frame, and cropping the bottom. Actually, I took a look at your ground glass. I put the image in Photoshop, and put a 16:9 box over it, and I'd say that if you were to use the top of your existing frame, and then use the lower white line on the left side as your bottom of frame, you wouldn't be too far off. Down and dirty, but it would work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Young Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 so if I wanted to shoot for a 16:9 TV ratio for example how does a framing chart translate to this.....the workflow for me is shoot the film...send to lab and they telecine or 2k scan and I run it all in daVinci resolve.....should I wish to create a widescreen version of it all I would need to know that whilst Im shooting of course...... Like what Stuart said, a framing chart is used together with the viewfinder and ground glass. Rolling on the framing chart, at the bare minimum, defines where on the actual film your frame is. In theory, you would shoot the framing chart lined exactly with the ground glass. The telecine may ignore the framing chart and scan the entire film, but it gives you a starting point for what your original framing was intended to be (because you framed everything for the outlines on the ground glass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The telecine may ignore the framing chart and scan the entire film Ideally, you want them to transfer the whole frame, rather than crop, so that you can re-rack the picture in post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 11, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted September 11, 2017 thanks for the excellent advice as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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