Matthew W. Phillips

It would be primarily for short projects but I do have one feature that I began camera tests for years ago on 16mm that I would likely shoot with it at some point.

I have owned about 3 CP16s at different times and thought they were rather pleasant to deal with (once you make sure they work properly). I would consider owning another if it was converted to S16. If you are able to service one to reliable status and are interested in selling at a reasonable price, let me know.

I would like to keep everything < $10k and preferably no more than $8k for the body. And a Red Camera of any kind is completely off the table for me for personal reasons. Yeah, here I just touted how I am done with a film workflow but yet the image is still so alluring to me. However, the prices of film cameras (at least on eBay) are otherworldly when I need to consider the additional support I would need (and the film stock, processing, scan). I think I even saw a CP16R on eBay for $7k; that is absolute madness to me.

So are you recommending a Z-cam instead?

I have been looking into making a big camera purchase and I had my eyes on the Ursa 12k but many of the tests I have seen come out of that camera don't look like what I would have hoped. Not a bad image at all but just not my "flavor" I guess. Since it has been around for a while, there are a ton of tests from the Alexa Classic and, on eBay, those cameras can be had for not too much more than a new Ursa 12k. My question is if it is still a safe bet in 2021? I am doing this for shooting my own projects and maybe for some friends/colleagues in education if they need corp. videos or whatnot. I have never worked with one so it would be nice if the more professional among you can tell me: Is the Alexa pretty easy to learn for someone who has never used one? Will the camera still hold up after thousands of hours of use? I know dead pixels can be an issue for other cameras but I know Arri makes great stuff...will it last me a long time even purchased used? I realize it is a massive camera. I probably need to get a big camera to find something I like the image on if I cannot afford tens of thousands of dollars. How much does this camera weigh rigged out? Is the post workflow easy to deal with? I use Resolve for pretty much everything these days (with Audition to edit spoken word). What is a fair price to purchase one for these days (assume 4-6k hours on the sensor) Are there any competitors in the <$10k price range that you would consider first for those that like the Alexa look without going the Ursa 12k route? Thanks in advance to any who take the time to help me.

Now you have me revisiting this. I guess one is never truly done with grading...only happy for a minute. The video you put up was no doubt correct but I failed in my implementation of it because I was already applying what M. Joel said above with "video is more saturated in the highlights, film in the shadows. Some cameras (the Alexa in particular) emulate this aspect of film but the grade lets you do whatever. But if your final grade is desaturated it will never have "garish video hues." In the video though, I noticed he said that the saturation curve looked more like a nice round hill with the majority in the midtones with both shadows and highlights falling to their respective desaturated states. After trying this, I feel I was finally able to get more real saturation without increasing the brightness. Thanks for posting that video and continuing to add your insight!

No Fujifilm subforum? I realize they may not be as high end as some here work with but the X-T line is in the price tier to compete with BMPCC 4K and 6K.

...you find yourself enjoying obsessing over tiny details; whether they be endless camera tests, trying new editing techniques, nuances of color grading, etc. Do you ever find yourself so engrossed in the technical aspects of what you do that you find you cannot "stop and smell the roses?" I used to have wonder about making narrative works and I would write down script ideas, storyboard, etc but now I find that I seem to have more fun with endless research of gear, color grading practice, and experimenting with the best way to EQ audio instead of actually being motivated to do a project. If you have went through this, how did you snap out of it? Did you snap out of it? Why is it so easy to become consumed by technicals and gear instead of just working on projects? Thanks to all who contribute.

That aesthetic could definitely convey a feeling that not much else could. I could be wrong on this but I feel like that look would work better with 60 fps than with 24 as well.

This is a good point. If I recall correctly, the red was the lowest level of the emulsion above the clear and the remjet on the bottom. Fast and slow blue was on top with yellow filters between, and the green all before the red. Much of the digital footage I see seems like the red is the strongest for some reason. I am not going to pretend to understand the algorithms of how digital cameras process data but the red (and in the case of Sony, the magenta) shift is real.

I have yet to use the camera and I had thought about breaking the piggy bank to purchase one. However, messing around with Blackmagic's own samples, I feel that they are less cinematic than even the BMPCC 4k. I guess it all depends on what work you do with the camera but the built in NDs seem like a nice surprise for me (coming from no-budget land) but I am turned off by the size of the body. Some wont care (likely the more professional peoples around here who are used to massive rigged out cameras). Is there any benefit to this over the 6k Pro?

After taking everyone's viewpoints into consideration, I arrived at a look that I think looks pretty good. I admit that I had to get some help from a plugin to Resolve (I played around with Dehance) and that gave me the little bit of saturation control I needed to get a look I could live with. (Disclaimer: I am not paid by and I have no connection to Dehance; I haven't even decided if I am purchasing it as I am on the trial now but I probably will at least buy the lite version) Thanks again for everyone who gave input.

...not going to poke the bear...

I thought about this a lot since yesterday. I decided to pull up an old grab I had of my daughter from her younger days (it was shot on 16mm film and graded by Spectra). I was surprised that by "pixel peeping" the red on the stuffed bird's wing that it was much higher in red value (brighter) than what I was able to get on the Sony a6000 without adding a ton of saturation. This is interesting to me because I get the impression that many people assume film = desaturated but I haven't ever seen a desaturated grade come back from a lab (when I pay for the grade). Nonetheless, I will admit that film has a way of saturating that doesn't draw attention to itself. (16mm film screenshot below for reference)

So much truth! Thanks for your input.

nastygal.com? Do I even want to know?

Thanks for this. I am playing around with this in Resolve. I do agree that red is not as intense in reality (or on film) as it is when the saturation is increased on this image in Resolve. I am playing around to find a happy medium in the "Hue vs. Sat" portion. Although the "emissive vs reflective" is a bit of a judgment call, it does help to think of it that way. I realize I have crossed the line by a bit but with this info in hand, I can correct it.

Thanks for this! I compared the two by having the first one as above and the second one bumped shadow saturation while desaturating the highlights (Lum vs. Sat) and here are the comparisons.

I have learned a bit about Resolve the last few months but I do not know how to check that % of saturation according to Rec709 standards...do you know how I can do this?

I personally love the look of intense color saturation. But I see a lot of footage on YT and Vimeo where people are not adding a lot of saturation. I realize some of this is stylistic but I cannot help but wonder if there is some metric (scientific or otherwise) that determines if an image is "too saturated". Although I enjoy saturated color, I don't want to turn others off of footage if I am going too extreme with it. Any colorists want to chime in? I will show you an example of a screenshot I grabbed from a clip I shot of my daughter on our porch. For what it is worth, this was the capture rig: Sony a6000 SELP18105G E PZ 18-105mm F4 Zoom (Sorry, cannot remember focal length or F-stop) ISO 100 ND4 filter Creative Style - Neutral (-3, -3, -3) I have posted my saturated grade and also the raw screen grab (in case someone wants to play or whatever.) Disclaimer: My daughter's initials are T.P. I don't want her to get upset that I put her face up here so, if you are reading this and your initials are "T.P.", I would prefer that you not cause a scene on my thread. Thanks. ?

Out of respect to David (not to you), I will refrain from personal attacks on you. He is a model you should seek to emulate. He has real industry cred but still shows respect to everyone. Part of being an expert or professional is knowing when to add your advice and when not to. I may be a Computer Scientist but I don't stand over people's shoulders in Best Buy telling them what computer they should purchase and which are garbage. We have a word for unsolicited opinions..."rude". As for "getting good results", I wouldn't be happy if I got results like yours either. I saw those screenshots you put up in my other thread and I wouldn't be pleased with those either. Maybe my standards are too high? Who knows. Like I said, I do it for fun. Sorry, David, if this post was inappropriate. I tried to be as gentle as I could considering this dude refuses to let it go even when you politely warn everyone.

I never asked anyone's opinion (professional or otherwise) of whether I should purchase LED lights or not. And I guess I will speak the elephant in the room: you fancy yourself some kind of "professional" but I looked you up and cannot find any evidence of anything significant you have done in the field either. And you disparage YouTubers while you ran a (failed) YouTube series that couldn't even get Patreon supporters. This is fine and nothing to be ashamed of except you disparage actual successful YouTubers with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. As one of my old college professors once told the class "you aren't as special as you think you are." I know what and who I am. I am a hobbyist who enjoys doing this stuff. I am not a professional in any sense of the word. I am a professional software developer and educator. But you need to be honest with yourself about who you are. You aren't exactly some Academy Award nominated cinematographer up in here who graces everyone with your presence. You are just some guy in L.A. with an inflated sense of yourself and a few film cameras. Big deal. If I wanted to neglect my family and their needs, I could buy film cameras too. But adults learn a thing called "priorities."

That is the point...things don't "have to make sense" to you. Imagine that there is a whole world of people that each have their own ideas and opinions on things and that is okay. I would have thought the artistic community would understand this. I guess spending years in the academy has made me numb to diverse viewpoints and I don't realize that there are still places that do not encourage independent thought. Edit: I am seeing a lot of grumpiness from certain people who should be enjoying their job. Maybe the pandemic made people grouchy or something? Goodness..."why buy expensive LED lamps that look gross anyway? Just get some blonds and bounce them." Haha, because I choose to and it is my money so mind your own business.

Nice find, Uli! Enjoy your new "beast".

Wow, just wow. I think I will stop here before I say something that I know I will regret later. Good luck with your filmmaking career, Tyler, I truly wish you the best.