Robin R Probyn

So you think it isn't .. and your the film camera guy .. ooopps you did it again ..

film cameras are rolling shutter .. 07 is just a refection of a filter .. the same would happen on film .. very old argument that holds no water these days ..Karim with respect .. are you actually a DP ? do you use Digital cameras professionally ..

And Barry Ackroyd BSC used on his first 35mm shoot with Ken Loach

You have said plainly that Kodak is not concerned about the price of Silver , backed up by your friends at Kodak, that would put me straight .. and bizarrely by the tiny amount of film you purchase a year .. what is this BS you have now written .. now you have no idea ? historical impacts ? .. what happened to all the big talk .. and I should get a life ???

Not so .. you made totally wrong comments about shooting Sony Slog3 and then went on to criticize Sony f5/55 .. I had that camera and pointed out you were not shooting correctly and actually as it transpired had no idea about log gamma shooting .. I was perfectly polite ... instead of taking the advise and knowledge you went on the attack and as your ego seemed to have been dented .. and you can never be wrong about anything ..you were and have continued to spread at times ,totally wrong information about cameras and well just about anything you don't understand ..the whole Walter Mitty thing , the friends thing .. for the love of Pete ... just stop it ..

don't worry that comment has history and is not a one off jab ..

You still haven't answered my question though .. is Kodak concerned about the price of silver or not .. yes or no .. you seem to say no .. its not something they are concerned about at all .. BTW who's taping those cans like that .. looks like a low end crew to me ..

You are comparing your very small fish retail , buy and hold ,silver investments , with a multi national company buying tons of Silver as a commodity for their product .. any small price movement per gram will make a huge difference to them.. hence , Kodak don't give out even casual information , obviously as a company policy .. because as stated THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE!... as Ive said before ,they are not buying to keep under the bed as a small time long term investment inflation hedge .. did you not read that .. Im merely using your logic .. because you shoot 50 feet of short ends a year ,this makes you some expert on film and the finances of Kodak .. so equally ,the money I have spent on Digital cameras must make me an expert of them .. Your not going to get the last word here .. PS you need to get some way better cameras to turn professional ..

ok lets narrow it down ..(I was never questioning precious metals as a worthy investment for the long term).. you still claim ,based on the knowledge yet again of mysterious " friends" that Kodak has no or little concern about the price of Silver ..thius non volatile commodity .. . this is your position correct .. so the Kodak guy who spoke to David Mullen , who we can agree is an established DP, was lying through his teeth when he wouldn't even give any causal information about Silver, due to a worry about the effects on price .. or David has just totally made up this story ? Yes I haven't shot film for many years ,what is the relevance of that .. or the fact that you do .. I mean you make all sorts of claims about digital cameras with very little clue of how they work , Ive brought 6 pro video cameras costing well over $300K, yet you are not accepting I know more about them than you ..when all you have is a pocket camera that cost less than my mattbox ..surely this proves I know much more about digital than you .. following your logic .. no ?

Sorry Bro , your not getting the last word .. the fact that you have been buying silver for years makes no difference to the fact its a commodity that changes price by seconds and its price is very important to Kodak .. both of which you seem to think is not the case .. your just plain wrong man .. stop talking out of your ass ..

you are wrong .. its not the end of the world .. its ok to be wrong .. embrace it and move forward .. if the price of silver is not a concern to Kodak how come they wouldn't tell a well known DP , a user of their product, any information , and in fact they stated the exact opposite .. its a secret as they are worried about prices .. this wasn't recently either .. of course the price of silver is very important to Kodak ,thats just common sense .. for the love god just google the damn thing.. From Forbes 10 year analysis Silver has had its fair share of volatility in the last 10 years, with prices ranging from $14/ounce to $50/ounce between 2009 and 2018.

no one is saying they should though .. my point is Silver is a commodity and pretty volatile one .. luckily the forum metals expert has corrected me .. and I have alerted Mitsui Bank commodities trading desk to the error of their ways too... so Kodak and the one of the worlds biggest banks have been saved through the amazing largesse of a forum member ..

Not just recessions .. as David has stated , Kodak themselves are very secretive about their silver supply / holdings for .. drum roll... the reason thats its a volatile commodity and well known to be one .. regardless of what your mates "who work for Kodak " are saying on FB ... institutional traders love people like you .. they will have your shirt ..

Well they don't have to worry about that anymore , Tyler has clearly stated Silver is a very stable priced commodity ... weirdly in contradiction with the worlds commodity traders .. according to Tyler and his mates from Kodak on FB this is not the case after all .. happy days .. . thank god we have Tyler and FB to put us right, yet again , on this forum ..

Your so funny saying silver has very stable price ,then saying this huge volatility happens all the time and nothing new .., I mean make your mind up ? .. you think Kodak is going to say on Face book anything other than everything is ok .. I hope you don't take investment advise from them..

Yes but its not so gradual is it .. as I said Kodak is not buying silver to put under the bed , they are buying it as a commodity to make their product .. 20% spike in 5 days .. HELLO .. they are toast of they were on the wrong side of that trade .. futures .. its not stable man .. didnt Trump say the US economy was the best its ever been ?

Silver up 20% IN 5 DAYS .. ! 12% in a day ..as I said .. its a commodity .. its volatile ..this could ruin Kodak in days if they holding short positions on silver .. or they should sell the farm and take the money and run ..

Well my wife is not smart .. she married me after all ..

" Draw a line from 2005 to the far end of this graph. Then do the math on inflation during that same time period. You'll see silver prices follow inflation (outside of recessions 2008 and 2011). So in 2005 the price was $6 and by 2015 it was $16. That's a $10 change in 10 years" But shifts in between that are huge in massive amounts .. Kodak are not buying silver to put under their bed as a hedge against inflation and Fiat currency Armageddon, they are buying futures , they are trying to / have to .. lock in prices for the future , its a gamble , they have to hedge these futures too.. much like airlines and oil prices .. flying the planes in a secondary business ,mainly they are huge oil futures trading companies. I'd also question any government inflation figures these are easily manipulated, ie they change the basket of goods they use to decide purchasing power ! commodities are volatile and change every second , thats why they traded by banks etc.. and silver is regarded as more so than many .. look at wiki not just graphs .. as I quoted ..

Yes the v1 had some issues ..most you read online were user error , have been a couple of updates since then .. the green tone is only when applying the s709 LUT without any grading, not in the camera , I guess thats a toss up on whats more reliable .. new or old .. one thing I would recommend , ask the seller to replace the internal battery .. you can do it yourself but scary the first time and its bad on action .. I had this happen to me on location and had to do it in my hotel room under pressure .. a night I wont forget soon !

Still a good camera , but pretty old now , AXS / SxS media is expensive .. but its in a different league to an fs7.. very different markets .. f5/55 both have XAVC I 480 too.. I think it depends if you really need raw or not , and what camera suits your work.. basically the closest thing to a Venice image wise, is now the fx9.. not the same sensor but FF and " Venice color space ".. the Venice s709 LUT for Slog3 is also what Sony recommend for the fx9 ( but its a bit green ).. but the fx9 is not good for raw , have to go to a 3rd party external recorder and its 12 bit recording , although the cameras out putting 16 bit .... if your choice is between an fs7 and a fx9 ..I would take the fx9 for sure .. Pros and Cons .. personally I think its always better to go for the latest sensor technology, its moved on so far from the f55 sensor .. and the prices have dropped massively too !

Well any google search will tell you Silver is a very volatile commodity .. especially in gold / silver forums you will see this .. very easy to get burnt with silver .. my quote is from Wikipedia , its not just my personal opinion.. its simply wrong to say Silver is a stable commodity with no / not much price fluctuation over decades ... last post on silver from me .. lets hope there is a silver lining for 2021 .. ?

Sorry but no way could silver ever be described as a non volatile commodity ..., its a very harsh mistress .. the Misses almost choked on her sushi at the mere thought .. "The price of silver is driven by speculation and supply and demand, like most commodities. The price of silver is notoriously volatile compared to that of gold because of the smaller market, lower market liquidity and demand fluctuations between industrial and store of value uses. At times, this can cause wide-ranging valuations in the market, creating volatility.[6]"

Totally not true sir .. according to my wife , head of commodities trading Mitsui Banking Corporation , and not to be argued with , Silver was $50 an ounce in 2011.. !! its now $25.50.. its all over the place, same as copper .. its much more an industrial metal more than a store of wealth like gold ..

Sure I wasn't trying to contradict what you were saying , Im sure he knew what he was doing way before CE.. he still seems to play down any "techie" knowledge .. my point is I think this is his image too.. he doest want to be seen at the guy who knows all the tech .he likes this spontaneous, fly by seat of the pants , type guy image .. but of course under all that he knows a lot ..