Single perf 16mm film. Perf holes on the other side! Help

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

Here is a picture of the can.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

Look what I've found!

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

I have a A-Wind. Problem solved. Thanks guys!

Viva la cinema! :)

[Mark Dunn]

That diagram was in the link I posted.

It's b-wind. EIB means 'emulsion-in, b-wind'.

Camera film always has the emulsion in, it's a matter of which side the perfs are.

Well then, your magazine needs double-perf or a-wind film. The sprocket is on the opposite side from normal. So if you use single-perf you'll have to rewind.

Out of interest, what camera is it?

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

One more question tho, can somebody please show me where it says a A-Wind?

How the heck would I know what is what?!

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

That diagram was in the link I posted.

It's b-wind. EIB means 'emulsion-in, b-wind'.

Camera film always has the emulsion in, it's a matter of which side the perfs are.

Well then, your magazine needs double-perf or a-wind film. The sprocket is on the opposite side from normal. So if you use single-perf you'll have to rewind.

Out of interest, what camera is it?

 

Thanks man. That all I needed to know.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

It's a Kinor 16 CX 2M by the way.

 

I'll have to re-wind even if I use a-wind stock?

Edited January 14, 2013 by Vadim Trofymenko

[Zac Fettig]

That's a b-wind. (Kodak SP number 457, 16mm 1-edge T core, b-wind)

 

I'd forgotten that the A-Minima is emulsion out. A-wind doesn't have to be, but the stock Kodak is supplying is. 200' Aaton loads will be emulsion out. Darn.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Zac Fettig

[Zac Fettig]

No you won't need to re-wind. But most A-wind stocks are lab stocks.

 

Are you sure the supply reel is supposed to be in the back? On most cameras, it's in the front. I don't know about the Kinor, but you may have loaded it backwards.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

No you won't need to re-wind. But most A-wind stocks are lab stocks.

 

Are you sure the supply reel is supposed to be in the back? On most cameras, it's in the front. I don't know about the Kinor, but you may have loaded it backwards.

 

Any info on where I can get this stock. I can find only b-winds.

 

Yes that's correct way.

[Zac Fettig]

Found a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_P6sXtJsFw

 

It looks like your film is upside down. Flip it over and feed through the rollers as shown.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

That's how it should look.

 

 

 

Basically I have to rewind b-winds since a-winds are hard to fins. And I guess are expensive.

[Mark Dunn]

That's how it should look.

 

 

 

Basically I have to rewind b-winds since a-winds are hard to fins. And I guess are expensive.

That's emulsion-out.

A-winds are indeed lab stock. You could use double-perf but it would probably limit you to fresh stock.

[Mark Dunn]

That's emulsion-out.

Kodak do list some A-winds- I see a couple of 200' on cores in the current list. You could use double-perf but it would probably limit you to fresh stock. It would say '16N 7605(2994) 2R EIB' on the first can. Likewise EIA for A-wind. The other number are the perforation pitch in mm. (7.605) and inches (,2994). N is the perf type.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

After 3 minutes using just normal pen all done. All I'm worried about is a tension of the film now.

[Mark Dunn]

Just as long as you appreciate that that is for testing purposes only. You won't usually get film emulsion-out.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Mark Dunn

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

Found a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_P6sXtJsFw

 

It looks like your film is upside down. Flip it over and feed through the rollers as shown.

 

Thats my vide :)

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

Okay, tell me what. What side single perf film should be loaded? Black base or emulsion?!!!

[Mark Dunn]

The emulsion should be towards the lens. But your rewound roll is fine for test purposes.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

The emulsion should be towards the lens. But your rewound roll is fine for test purposes.

 

Hmm, oaky. The point is that I have a short film project coming soon and I want to film it using this camera. Do you think I will be able to buy a normal b-wind film, rewind it, shoot the film, rewind it back and send to the lab? Or I should buy a-wind reel?

[Mark Dunn]

Well I have just looked at my K3 and photographs of the Kinor and I'm now convinced that the Kinor does in fact take b-wind. I think you used double perf for your video.

The only alternative left is that the film you used had already been rewound. To be on the safe side you could use double-perf.

[Zac Fettig]

I'd say rewind b-wind and shoot a test reel. Like 100' of tri-x reversal. Look and see how much scratching it causes. If it looks fine, then shoot with it.

[Mark Dunn]

With a 100' spool you can check the loading in daylight. You might even get an outdated roll for next to nothing. Just make sure it's a sealed can.

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

Just tell me what guys, when you open the film can and take out roll, emulsion side faces inside and base outside right?

[Guest Vadim Trofymenko]

I'd say rewind b-wind and shoot a test reel. Like 100' of tri-x reversal. Look and see how much scratching it causes. If it looks fine, then shoot with it.

 

I guess rewinding is not an option. Due to tension it makes lot of noise.