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What the title says. For the record, I'm okay with the prospect of noise reduction with this camera if required as you'd sometimes have to do that with film scans sometimes anywaybso I'm not picky in that regard. The reason I'm asking others is that I don't have a good monitoring device at the moment to make a good judgement on this aspect so I'm here asking if anyone could but in with a more professional opinion on what they've seen from a source more optimal for making image quality judgements so please, tell me. Also, is the noise heavier on chroma or luminance in how it manifests?

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  • Edith blazek changed the title to Has anyone tested the Ursa cine 12k (or 17k or immersive)at iso 3200 or in low light and if so how usable is it?
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I have used the new URSA cine 12k and where it IS better at higher ISO's than its sibling. In my testing, we have only shot at higher ISO's and it's really good at 1600, WAY better than the OG UMP 12k. In my eyes, at 3200ISO, it's not bad at all. Easy to clean up in post if you NEEDED the ISO range. 

The big advantage with the Cine 12k is the dynamic range, it's noticeably better than the original UMP 12k AND the noise pattern of the imager is more consistent. It's a marketable improvement, but I feel this is only the beginning. Blackmagic have realized they can make decent cinema cameras and sell them. So hopefully they make a companion camera using the same imager. I have a feeling they will and it will be the Pyxis MKII, with a fold out display and the 12k FF imager from the UMP Cine. That's just my guess, because the UMP body is getting old, they'll put that FF 12k imager into something smaller. 

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13 hours ago, Tyler Purcell said:

I have used the new URSA cine 12k and where it IS better at higher ISO's than its sibling. In my testing, we have only shot at higher ISO's and it's really good at 1600, WAY better than the OG UMP 12k. In my eyes, at 3200ISO, it's not bad at all. Easy to clean up in post if you NEEDED the ISO range. 

The big advantage with the Cine 12k is the dynamic range, it's noticeably better than the original UMP 12k AND the noise pattern of the imager is more consistent. It's a marketable improvement, but I feel this is only the beginning. Blackmagic have realized they can make decent cinema cameras and sell them. So hopefully they make a companion camera using the same imager. I have a feeling they will and it will be the Pyxis MKII, with a fold out display and the 12k FF imager from the UMP Cine. That's just my guess, because the UMP body is getting old, they'll put that FF 12k imager into something smaller. 

Is the noise more filmic or digital by your measure?

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10 hours ago, Edith blazek said:

Is the noise more filmic or digital by your measure?

I find the noise to be very filmic, way more than any other digital cinema camera I've used. The Alexa has a nice noise floor too, but it's just black bits of noise. The RGBW imager in the UMP's, have color patterns that move around. These color patterns are very filmic, that's what "film" does. 

Here is a video I just produced about the UMP 12k (OG version) for some comparison to film workflow. I bought the OG due to the low cost and ability to run S16 lenses with 6k resolution. The FF will not do that AND I highly recommend not cropping the imager like I'm doing in this video test. I think it works for some things, but not all. BMD have a 9k mode on the new 12k which is closer to S35mm so people can use S35mm 2x anamorphic lenses, but that's the only real benefit. 
 

 

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On 1/19/2025 at 3:38 PM, Tyler Purcell said:

I find the noise to be very filmic, way more than any other digital cinema camera I've used. The Alexa has a nice noise floor too, but it's just black bits of noise. The RGBW imager in the UMP's, have color patterns that move around. These color patterns are very filmic, that's what "film" does. 

Here is a video I just produced about the UMP 12k (OG version) for some comparison to film workflow. I bought the OG due to the low cost and ability to run S16 lenses with 6k resolution. The FF will not do that AND I highly recommend not cropping the imager like I'm doing in this video test. I think it works for some things, but not all. BMD have a 9k mode on the new 12k which is closer to S35mm so people can use S35mm 2x anamorphic lenses, but that's the only real benefit. 
 

 

Is there a name for the color pattern stuff in relation to film?

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On 1/20/2025 at 11:08 PM, Edith blazek said:

Is there a name for the color pattern stuff in relation to film?

Not that I'm aware of. 

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