Jimmie Armentrout Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Hello All This is an exercise project for my cinematography class. The project calls for me to light a 'Night Scene' with a WS - MS - CU and reversal incorporated within it. This is my first time shooting 35mm and my second time using lights. I've always been intimidated with gaffing! I would appreciate any feed back. Thanks!!! (shot w/500T Vision3) http://www.vimeo.com/789010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmie Armentrout Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Any suggestions . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted March 21, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 21, 2008 Any suggestions . . . Night interior or exterior? Practical lights are on or off? Moonlit? What do you mean by "reversal"? Reverse angle? -- oh sorry, I didn't see the link, that you already shot it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Rosenbloom Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Lighting is too flat, try to shape it a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted March 21, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 21, 2008 I can't get the clip to play -- it just goes to black each time I hit play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Teulon Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I could see that you went for a 'safe' style without allowing yourself to be adventurous. You set the foundations but didn't build on it! My pennies' worth is that you need to relax and have fun. Cheers S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lowe Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Why waste film on some ugly dude doing nothing? Get a babe in there or some kind of interesting subject matter. :) The lighting looked okay, but whatever codec you used for compression was awful in terms of motion. Next time try H.264 with settings on high and a high bitrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmie Armentrout Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Thanks for your suggestions everyone. I'll try to get more adventurous with my lighting and subject matter. This was done with limited time and subject matter. - Lighting is too flat, try to shape it a little more - . . .I thought the warm lighting and the cool (blueish) lighting would help the separation within the frame. What do you think could of helped? - Next time try H.264 with settings on high and a high bitrate - . . .Its odd cause that is the codec I used with settings on high. Maybe the bitrate wasn't high enough. Do you think this may have caused this? Thank you again everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Michael Nash Posted March 21, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 21, 2008 . . .I thought the warm lighting and the cool (blueish) lighting would help the separation within the frame. What do you think could of helped? I though the mix of colors looked pretty good, and the wide shots had enough modeling. It was the closeup that was flat: The wider shots could have used some edgelight for more 3-d modeling, but that's a matter of taste. You did a good job of using contrast and color for separation. I didn't think it was "safe," just "naturalistic." Pulling off a naturalistic look can actually be pretty difficult with artificial lighting, so I'd say you did a good job. . . .Its odd cause that is the codec I used with settings on high. Maybe the bitrate wasn't high enough. Do you think this may have caused this? Relax folks, we're looking at a Vimeo flash video, not the straight MPEG. Flash re-compresses whatever you've given it and wreaks havoc with interlacing and frame rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmie Armentrout Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 I though the mix of colors looked pretty good, and the wide shots had enough modeling. It was the closeup that was flat: Michael Thank you for your input. I do agree with you on the close up. I'm not to fond of this particular one. I do like my wide shot and the two close ups in the beginning though. I still have a lot to learn and appreciate everyones input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmie Armentrout Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 I can't get the clip to play -- it just goes to black each time I hit play. It may just need a second to load. I would love to hear any comments from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted March 22, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 22, 2008 It may just need a second to load. I would love to hear any comments from you. The internet connection in my hotel room is rather slow, so video clips are hard to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lowe Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Vimeo does not introduce motion streaking like that, as far as I know. It's got to be the initial compression. I would simply keep upping the bitrate until that motion blur/blockiness problem goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Michael Nash Posted March 22, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted March 22, 2008 Vimeo does not introduce motion streaking like that, as far as I know. It's got to be the initial compression. I would simply keep upping the bitrate until that motion blur/blockiness problem goes away. The only "streaking" I see is the result of displaying interlaced material progressively, which has nothing to do with the bitrate. You'd have to deinterlace the material before outputting the mpeg/whatever. Other than that there's some subtle flickery/blocky noise, evident in broad areas of midtone. Those look like what you'd expect from flash compression, not H.264. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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