Jon Kukla Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 I thought the original projectors had 3 different films that went through a projector as well as the camera. Nope. See the American Widescreen Museum for a quick rundown far better than I could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted September 22, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 22, 2006 Technicolor 3-strip cameras are on display at Technicolor North Hollywood, the George Eastman House museum in Rochester, and several other locations (ASC Clubhouse?). http://www.eastmanhouse.org/ http://www.eastmanhouse.org/inc/collections/technology.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Buick Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Does anyone know where to get E100D in Super 8 carts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted September 28, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted September 28, 2006 Does anyone know where to get E100D in Super 8 carts ? Pro8/85 (72/5285 stock) http://pro8mm.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...tegory_Code=CCF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantsmith Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Matthew, have you seen how much this would cost to send to the UK? $60!!! $90 with film, and as it includes free processing you would have to ship it back to the US and have it returned. A shame really as $30 is a pretty decent price. try http://andecfilm.de/en/e_s8_e6-ec64t.htm these guys are in berlin, very friendly. they have 100d repackaged as Wittnerchrome. They do processing too. Prices not as good as pro8mm but work out much cheaper as they are comming from mainland Europe. It would be really good if Pro8mm had a Eoropean office, I'm sure they would do quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Appelt Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I believe hearing that those prisms were so valuable that they were kept in valuts / safes after each day's shooting... In his autobiography cinematographer Jack Cardiff wrote about being trained for the Technicolor system. They had a wood replica of the beam-splitter prism and had to practise catching a falling prism with your feet so it would not hit the hard ground. When shooting travelogues, Cardiff used to keep the Technicolor three-strip camera in his hotel room (required by insurances, IIRC). Great book by Cardiff: MAGIC HOUR paperback ed. and interviews with Cardiff: Conversation with Jack Cardiff: Art, Light and Set Design in Cinema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantsmith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 What was the last movie filmed with the 3-strip process? did they use a 3-strip camera for the end sequences of 2001? I'm sure someone once told me they filmed it in panavision then filmed a projection with a 3-strip camera? I also heard that Suspiria was filmed using old Technicolor but I'm not sure if that is true, possibly 1-strip Technicolor? What is 1-strip Technicolor anyway? Is it a non-dye coupler method as I seem to remember that The Godfather used the remaining dye's for Technicolor? Sorry, I think my memory is making things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hi . yes memory is on the blink, neither of those are correct . 3 strip Technicolor ended its days in mid fiftys. John Holland ,London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kukla Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) 2001 was originally filmed with the intention of releasing it into Cinerama, which constructs a widescreen image from three film strips projected side-by-side. I believe that there were some limited releases in this format, but it was not shot in it due to Trumbull's assessment of how it would make certain shots (like the bone/spaceship match cut) look. In any case, those three strips were derived from optical processing in a lab, not the filming. Suspiria was one of the last films to use Technicolor dye-imbibition printing (also known as IB prints) before it was phased out in the 1970s and sold to China. (It was briefly revived about a decade ago.) This means that it was printed in the same manner as the old three-strip process - essentially photolithography using CMYK matrices - and thus preserves better than photochemical couplers, since the dyes are far more stable and don't continue to interact and fade over time as the emulsion photochemistry does for color film. The prints look amazing and have a long archival life, but they are difficult to maintain QC-wise and take a long time to produce - at great expense. So they were only used on a limited number of films, including the first two Godfather films. However, the three strip camera was not used after 1955 - although several of them were repurposed for other formats like Technirama and Vistavision. All dye-imbibition prints made after this point were derived from Eastmancolor negatives through the creation of color separation masters, which is essentially a lab-process which creates three b/w strips - one for each of the RGB spectra - leaving you with protection prints much similar to the original three-strip negatives. The separation master process (sans the creation of an IB print) is still very popular amongst studios today in order to protect their color films against future fading, since b/w stock is much more stable for archival purposes. Clear? Confused? Edited October 23, 2006 by Jon Kukla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 2001 was shot in Super Panavision 70, 65mm neg , the film was released in Cinerama , ie, on a deep curved screen , i went to opening night at the Casino Cinerama cinema in London ,when it opened in 1968 . I was 17 . Amazing experience . John Holland . London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 What was the last movie filmed with the 3-strip process? Sandy Mackendrik's 'The Ladykillers' was the last British three-strip film. 'Foxfire' a Universal western was the last US three-strip film. Both were 1955. The IB dye transfer process was used until the eary 70s. Godfather II being the last US film printed with IB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Buick Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Does anyone want to know why Herbert Kalmus was so fanatical about the protection of the Beam Splitters ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantsmith Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thanks Jon, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Zimmerman Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I saw Suspiria on the big screen in Durham NC October 13 at the Carolina Theater. with Q and A from Jesicca Harper afterward. The print was very worn, and was the cut, R- rated version, but it was nice to see it on film once in my life. I assume it was mostly a dye print because the colors were in good shape, except for one sequence which was reddish-orange, which is what happens to older "eastman" prints. I assume that section of the dye print was lost and the film distributor scavenged a regular film version of the sequence. Another interesting note was that the red dye layer was slightly out of register so a thin edge of the faces on the right side was black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I'm quite sure "Apocalypse Now Redux" was a Tech IB - and I think there was one IB print of "The Thin Red Line" as well... -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 So do Technicolor in the states still have the line set up for IB prints ? if not who did the work ? John Holland ,London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Appelt Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) Regarding 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY When 2001 wnt into production, three-strip Cinerama projection was phased out in favor of single strip 65/70mm production & projection. There were some attempts to recreate the panoramic effect of Cinerama by using wide lenses, but all films produced after 1962 and announced as Cinerama presentations (like GRAND PRIX, ICE STATION ZEBRA, CUSTER OF THE WEST) were large-format productions only shown on the deep curved Cinerama screens. More can be found here Widescreen Museum on Cinerama AWSM on Ultra Panavision / Cinerama and here in70mm.com As it was mentioned before, most of 2001 was shot with Super Panavision 65mmgear. In addition, a Mitchell 65mm camera was used on an animation stand, and some aerial shots (Death Valley and Iceland, IIRC) were shot with one of the MCS-70 (Superpanorama) 65mm cameras built by Jan Jacobsen (also used for the famous helicopter shots from THE SOUND OF MUSIC). The strange colors of the aerial shots were created through b&w separations on 65mm film which were recombined using color filters. This was done by optical printing, neither a three-strip Technicolor camera nor the unique dye transfer (imbibition) process had anything to do with it. I'm quoting this from memory only - please read the AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER article on 2001 for accurate details. Lightman, Herb A. Filming 2001: A Space Odyssey. American Cinematographer, June 1968. Excerpted in: Castle, Alison (Editor). The Stanley Kubrick Archives, Taschen, 2005. ISBN 3-8228-2284-1 Edited October 24, 2006 by Christian Appelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 So do Technicolor in the states still have the line set up for IB prints ? if not who did the work ? John Holland ,London. They started back up in 1997 on anexperimental basis automating the process. http://www.technicolor.com/Cultures/En-Us/...troducesDye.htm However it was discontinued after Thomson bought TC. It was use the space for something else. I can't recall exactly what, but I thinking digital intermediates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Leo, space for DIs well that was a good idea ,not . John Holland ,London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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