Premium Member Chris Keth Posted February 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 I have a friend who is looking for line copy film. He wants to try and shoot a 16mm experimental on the stuff and is wondering if it's available in 16mm and in lengths suitable for shooting in a motion picture camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted February 2, 2005 Author Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 I forgot to add this in my original post. He wants something that he can get black and white, few to no grays in the middle. We're looking at some kodak intermediate films but are unsure of the exposure index of those and it's not listed on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted February 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products....4.6.6.12&lc=en http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...1.4.6.6.8&lc=en You're going to have to shoot tests to determine the speed. You might have issues with the pitch and perfs if you're using them in a camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Case Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 or this 16mm sound negative stock AS with the ones David mentioned, you will need to test for speed. The title stock 7363 is blue-sensitive only, and it's speed is probably in single figures ASA. It's acetate base. The sound stock 3378(this one) is orthochromatic The 3369 is panchromatic These are both estar base - you will need scissors to cut the film.They are both a lot faaster than the 7363 - could be as fast as 20 or 25 ASA. As they are very high contrast - no greys - the speed is very critical. Half a stop either way and you will be over the edge. Even knowing the ASA isn't enough. Test is essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted February 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 EASTMAN High-Contrast Panchromatic Film 2369/5369 is normally available with 35mm BH-1866 perforations. The 5363 comes with 35mm BH-1866 perfs, and the 16mm 7363 is 2R-2994 (not for Super-16). The 2378 is perforated 35mm KS-1866 (will be "loose" on a BH-1866 registration pin), but the 16mm 3378 has 1R-2994. They are all in the catalog: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...interfilm04.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted February 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 Hi, What's the process for producing a very high contrast film? Ensure all the particles are exactly the same size? Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted February 2, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 2, 2005 Hi, What's the process for producing a very high contrast film? Ensure all the particles are exactly the same size? Phil <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. In high contrast films, the size distribution of the silver halide grains is relatively small. To lower contrast and increase latitude, a mix of grain sizes and shapes is used, either blended or coated as separate layers. I recall that very high contrast lithographic films often used a special "lith" developer, that was very active, and gave "infectious" development of the entire grain, even if the latent image on the grain was very tiny: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/faqs/faq2498.shtml http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller...tlist&sku=27950 http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?...0e/T0390E12.htm http://www.dgbn.com/photo/processinfo.php?process_id=6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Joye Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Thanks, I'm new to the forum and have been amazed with the quick and informative responses. I'm the friend interested in shooting a film with no midtones... I was also considering shooting in a studio with regular black and white reversal and pushing to increase contrast as well as lighting it with extreme ratios. Can anyone recommend a good already contrasty film stock? I keep on hearing conflicting things about tri-x and plus-x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidSloan Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Shoot on an older EXR stock or Fuji, and take out color in telecine. Shooting b&w is a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Salzmann Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I'm intrigued and maybe John Pytlak can help once again! Would I be able to shoot a film using 3369 soundstock? Would this have to be developped in lith developer of some sort? Would I be able to find a lab that would develop this film? Is this available in 16mm and 35mm? Could I run this through a camera at normal speed and not have too many problems due to the different pitch of the perfs? I am interested in trying it with soft key lighting. What are your thoughts on this? Obviously this would yield an "experimental" result but I am truly curious. What would a good starting ASA be for tests? Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted February 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 6, 2005 Here is the Kodak technical data for 5369: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products...1.4.6.6.8&lc=en D-97 is the normal developer, processing is available at many labs. Note that the D-97 process is normally used for B&W print film and sound negative, and so may not be maintained to camera original standards. Any other develper like a lith developer would be unlikely to be available at a motion picture lab. Since the film was NOT designed or tested as a camera original film, you are on your own as far as camera transport, static marking, noise, tone scale, EI, etc. Here is the catalog: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...interfilm04.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Salzmann Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Wow that was a fast answer! What do you mean by "camera original standards" in terms of the development? What do you mean by "noise"? Would there be an increased risk of static markings with this stock? C'mon John give me a wee bit more technical help in terms of ASA, etc. I heard that a few years ago that a Nick Cave music video was shot on sound stock. Anyone know anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted February 6, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted February 6, 2005 Processing machines used for camera original films generally are maintained to higher levels of physical quality (e.g. dirt, minor abrasions) than the faster machines used for processing prints. By noise, I mean camera noise, as Kodak camera films are optimized for lubricity and surface characteristics to be quiet in cameras. Again, you are proposing to use this film in a non-standard way, so Kodak does not have all the data you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Shoot on an older EXR stock or Fuji, and take out color in telecine. Shooting b&w is a waste. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A waste of what ? B&W is beautiful. I'd say try pushing Plus-X Reversal one stop for the studio thing. For the more "litho" look, I know people have shot on AGFA ST-8 sound stock, but I have not done this. -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk DeJonghe Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Shooting on sound recording film has been done, but it may have some unexpected side effects. One of them is that the sound film doesn't have a black antihalation layer. This means that light rays can penetrate the film and be reflected off the shiny pressure rails on the film pressure plate. Don't ask me how I know. The solution was to remove the film pressure plate entirely. Not good for other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Wells Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 You can paint 'em black. Plus some folks LOVE the halated look. even without Marlene Deitrich :D -Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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