Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted February 16, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted February 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Never thought about a clean room. But makes sense. Exactly what do you do to clean each frame? What sort of wipes and cleaner? I gotta dig for the chemical name, but it's basically what Kodak film cleaner USE to be made of. It was too toxic so they switched chemicals. But you can still get the base chemical Kodak film cleaner used and it does work well, but ya need a very well vented room, hence the clean room with a vent hood. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Yes, it sounds terrible if you have to clean each frame. I can hardly stand to clean the roll...as fast as I can run it through the rewinds. I hate it. All I want is the scan, not the rest of the hassle. Slow, methodical cleaning is not good if you got ADD. The ADD'er does not like repetitive, slow work. Yea its pretty bad. Clean table, clean room, anti-static floor, vent hood and usually cotton tipped swabs. You also can't have the cleaner in an open container. So you need to use a little dripper that you tap the cotton swab on and work the frame. It takes a few seconds to get the gunk off per frame. Then, once that's done, you need to run the entire film through the same cleaner, back and forward a few times using a cotton cloth. Once that's done, we run it through an ultrasonic cleaner over at the lab, which helps remove some more surface stuff. I'd love to show a sample of this, but the client who is paying for that particular job, put it on hold. So we haven't scanned it. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Now, I don't mind scanning that much, it is kinda fascinating, especially if you have not previewed the film in the editor. You see it all unfold, which can be very fascinating if you got a 'pig in a poke' film and have no idea what you got. I always run the film through the rewinds to see the condition of the film before scanning. But I don't run through the editor much anymore. Again...time problems. I may loupe the film here or there, but content is 98% blind many times. We scan a lot of archival stuff. Most of it, we just clean with the ultrasonic cleaner and then scan with the wet gate. Then we use digital cleanup. However, when there are speckles all over the frame, it's impossible for that method to work. You have to do full photochemical restoration first, which is the most time consuming aspect sadly. We mostly work on short form and not every frame is speckled, so it is a looking through a magnifier and searching for speckles. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: It is mainly the cleaning I don't like, as slow drying cleaner takes many passes to dry up. If I don't have the time, I can wipe it pretty clean and let it sit not perfectly dry for a few hours to evaporate before scanning. But I prefer to dry it properly. I wish I had one of the hypersonic film cleaners. Slow drying cleaner does a better job that fast-drying cleaner (Edwal) at getting the dirt off, but slow drying cleaner is a pain to actually get dry in a hurry. Well yea, this is why we clean with an ultrasonic cleaner after doing this work. I think it's important to re-clean because you will leave little marks on the film due to the cleaning job. It helps to get rid of those marks, which are generally very light. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Will the use of film keep dwindling and as well as the demand for archival scans? There are dozens of warehouses full of film that has not been scanned yet. I've worked with many archives and they only scan what people want/need. The rest of the content is not scanned. So there is a demand, but the problem is monetizing content. Most of the places don't know how to do that, so the film just sits and rots. Much of it has already turned pink with vinegar syndrome due to poor storage. So the cost to scan them goes up tremendously, which means they don't really want to scan them anyway, which means they sit even longer. I don't see the demand going away. I do think the pricing for scanning will go down tho, because there is so much competition. To me, that's the biggest change that's going to change. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Are major companies going to stop making scanners / go out of biz? Nope, they can't make them fast enough. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Will they make cheaper scanners to broaden their market of ever decreasing or stagnant customers? I don't think anyone will make a scanner cheap enough for the lower end people. Our $40k FilmFabriek, is way too much money for most people. Nobody is making a $10k decent scanner currently, but maybe that will happening the future. I think that's the magic number, but I can't imagine it happening because there are just not enough people who want them. 21 hours ago, Daniel D. Teoli Jr. said: Are the people that thought they can charge $300 to scan a small roll of film going to be short on biz and start selling their scanners? Things like that. That's .25/ft for 1200ft of film, which is a pretty cheap number and pretty typical amount of film for 16mm OCN. I don't think anyone is selling their scanner, it's all about finding the good clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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