Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I’m looking to shoot a short film with Double X on 16mm, probably with a yellow filter. I can’t seem to find high quality scans shot with this stock for reference. Before I start testing the stock myself, I would very thankful if someone could share their footage and experiences with the stock. Greetings, Ivan Dimitrov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 24 Premium Member Share Posted September 24 Of course, glad to help.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 24 Premium Member Share Posted September 24 I'm far from being the best person you can talk to in this forum as I'm not a cinematographer....but yes I do have experience shooting Double X with my Aaton XTR XC camera that I own with a Cooke Varokinetal 9-50mm zoom that I cherish and love. In short, the stock is BEAUTIFUL to my eyes but needs to be metered properly. Does NOT have much latitude in highlights I find....works great indoors in my opinion. I would say like 1 to 1.5 stops of latitude in highlights. So much so I would metre this film like I do slide film, metering for the highlights and not the shadows as they take care of themselves somewhat.....I shoot it at recommended EI which is 250 asa and 200 asa. Long live Eastman Kodak Double X! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 13 minutes ago, Stephen Perera said: Of course, glad to help.... Thanks a lot! This looks incredible. Did you use any noise reduction? Also, I see you use an Aaton XTR, which to my knowledge the pressure plate has two shiny chromed ridges. Have you found any problem with the pressure plate and the lack of anti-halation backing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 24 Premium Member Share Posted September 24 (edited) I love grain and thus I don't use 'noise reduction'. YouTube tries to smudge all grain to my eternal annoyance. Make sure you choose the highest resolution that is on offer to view things on YouTube. The Aaton does not give me any problems that I am aware of. The magazines work well and I have no electronics on the camera, not even digital footage counter and certainly no monitor. All hand metre and looking through the viewfinder. I never shoot with anyone to help so I don't do any complicated focus racks or camera movements either. Camera on sticks and thats that. Estas en Madrid veo? saludos desde el sur del sur.....si quieras mas 'ayuda' contáctame en el 711014545 Edited September 24 by Stephen Perera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, Stephen Perera said: I love grain and thus I don't use 'noise reduction'. YouTube tries to smudge all grain to my eternal annoyance. Make sure you choose the highest resolution that is on offer to view things on YouTube. The Aaton does not give me any problems that I am aware of. The magazines work well and I have no electronics on the camera, not even digital footage counter and certainly no monitor. All hand metre and looking through the viewfinder. I never shoot with anyone to help so I don't do any complicated focus racks or camera movements either. Camera on sticks and thats that. Estas en Madrid veo? saludos desde el sur del sur.....si quieras mas 'ayuda' contáctame en el 711014545 So you don’t get strange halation or flares with Double X? That was one of my main worries. But I will probably use an Arriflex 16S which has blackened pressure plate anyway. Soy de Madrid sí, saludos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 24 Premium Member Share Posted September 24 Just now, Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov said: So you don’t get strange halation or flares with Double X? That was one of my main worries. But I will probably use an Arriflex 16S which has blackened pressure plate anyway. Soy de Madrid sí, saludos! Nothing strange comes through as you can see from the stuff Ive shot....úsalo sin miedo! vamosssssssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted September 24 Premium Member Share Posted September 24 All the above being said wait for others to comment if you want. As I said, Im the shallow end of the cinematography gene pool, 36 years years shooting PHOTOGRAPHIC film pero only a decade shooting 16mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted September 25 Site Sponsor Share Posted September 25 I shot this on 7222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted September 25 Site Sponsor Share Posted September 25 This also but it was a print with sound that this was scanned from: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achim Bömelburg Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 9/24/2024 at 11:57 AM, Stephen Perera said: Of course, glad to help.... Stephen, great footage! How do you process the double x ? (What ISO, negative development or reversal) Do you develop yourself or do you give it away? Regards Achim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Perera Posted November 25 Premium Member Share Posted November 25 @Achim BömelburgI send it all to Cinelab London. Thanks for the nice comments!!! For Double X it's D-76 developer they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk DeJonghe Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 A couple of years ago we did 'De Overkant' shot on S16 7222 Double-X. The short biographical film won many prizes, you can find it on Vimeo. A very nice example of historic 1960's feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 6 minutes ago, Dirk DeJonghe said: A couple of years ago we did 'De Overkant' shot on S16 7222 Double-X. The short biographical film won many prizes, you can find it on Vimeo. A very nice example of historic 1960's feel. Can’t find it on vimeo but from the trailer on Youtube it looks very good. Also, are you the owner of Color by Dejonghe? I just talked with Yves Dujardin from Studio l’equipe whom I’ve worked with in the past and he recommended your services for Double X development. A pleasure to meet you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Koch CSC Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 I shot so much Double X negative in 16 and 35mm in the 80's and 90's , If I might mention a couple things about DXN : Halation: the halation characteristics are a distinctive characteristic of this stock, particularly things like streetlights... I believe this is one of the most distinctive features of this film; really only happens in seriously overdriving highlights.Personally I love the halos around streetlights! Grain: quite grainy for its ISO...look at the DXN 65mm IMX B&W in Oppenheimer. Even at normal gammas. Development: ECN II for colour negative is so heavily standardized, but B&W is much more variable. I don't know if you absolutely feel you MUST shoot B&W film stock, but with Plus-X long gone, you will definitely find colour negatives can yield extremely beautiful B&W images without the grain and halation effects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted November 30 Author Share Posted November 30 9 hours ago, Douglas Koch CSC said: I shot so much Double X negative in 16 and 35mm in the 80's and 90's , If I might mention a couple things about DXN : Halation: the halation characteristics are a distinctive characteristic of this stock, particularly things like streetlights... I believe this is one of the most distinctive features of this film; really only happens in seriously overdriving highlights.Personally I love the halos around streetlights! Grain: quite grainy for its ISO...look at the DXN 65mm IMX B&W in Oppenheimer. Even at normal gammas. Development: ECN II for colour negative is so heavily standardized, but B&W is much more variable. I don't know if you absolutely feel you MUST shoot B&W film stock, but with Plus-X long gone, you will definitely find colour negatives can yield extremely beautiful B&W images without the grain and halation effects... I’m trying to imitate the orthochromatic look of 1920s films like fellow forum member Jarin Blaschke did on “The Lighthouse” although a bit more stylized. That’s why I’m going with 16mm. I did try to imitate the ortho look with 200T and removing the red channel on a short. Here is a small trailer of the short film. What I found is this method is effective although produces some strange digital noise as you remove a lot of information digitally by grading without most of the red channel. I found in Aliexpress an industrial short pass filter that removes light pass 625nm so it might give a slight orthochromatic look on Double X. I tested it in 35mm stills with satisfactory results. Now I need to test on 16mm and compare it to the converted Vision3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sebastian Bock Posted December 1 Premium Member Share Posted December 1 @Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Did you know that Foma.cz offers an orthochromatic film? So you don’t need to imitate the look - you can have it for real. BTW: your trailer looks very promising… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Posted December 1 Author Share Posted December 1 6 hours ago, Sebastian Bock said: @Ivan DImitrov Alexandrov Did you know that Foma.cz offers an orthochromatic film? So you don’t need to imitate the look - you can have it for real. BTW: your trailer looks very promising… I know! Is great. But sadly they only make it on 100ft rolls. I contacted them for 400ft rolls and they responded it could only be done if a big distributor asked for them. Thanks also for liking the trailer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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