Peter Hadfield Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Hello all! I'm curious about printing mini dv (or other bygone digital formats) to 16mm film. I have a director who's into dogme 95 films, and is considering shooting her next film in accordance to that set of rules. In particular, the 1999 film 'Mifune' and 'Dancer in the Dark' has been a source of inspiration. According to imdb, Mifune was shot on 16mm and blown up to 35mm, and Dancer was shot an anamorphic DV Cam and printed to a Fuji 35mm print stock? As it was necessary for distribution at the time to deliver 35mm prints to show the films in theatres, I assume that's why they were finishing to 35mm. I'm curious if anyone has done this lately? Or has any recent experience with it? Would it be possible to shoot onto an anamorphic DV Cam, and print to a negative 16mm Kodachrome stock, for example, and go to the online from there? At an information gathering stage at this point, so any input or discussion is appreciated! Thanks Peter
Robino Jones Posted April 7 Posted April 7 It's just a basic 'film out' - using a lower resolution source. Kodachrome doesn't exist anymore unless you have expired cans, and it can't be processed in color. You would need to prep a squeezed version of your DV footage to a 4:3 video file like prores or something like that and and give that to a company for film out. You can check with Robert at Cinelab they do that. http://www.cinelab.com
Joerg Polzfusz Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Andec also does it: https://www.andecfilm.de/en/digital-to-film/
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted April 8 Site Sponsor Posted April 8 We have done this for a few clients it makes for an interesting look especially if you use a bit more textural stock like 500t We can record to camera negative and make a print and a print with mono optical sound. 1
Jacob Kresak Posted April 9 Posted April 9 It's definitely do able, and there's a good amount of companies who produce film out. I had been looking to do it my self as well, I'm a big fan of the Dogme movement. Especially Julian Donkey Boy, Shot on DV and then transferred to 8MM. Just a for warning that film out services are usually pretty pricey, especially if you're working with a small budget.
Peter Hadfield Posted April 9 Author Posted April 9 Thanks for the responses! Ok cool, basically just a low res film out. Gotcha. I'm going to speak to Cinelab London and see what kind of emulations they can print to. I'll report back.
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted April 10 Site Sponsor Posted April 10 8 hours ago, Peter Hadfield said: Thanks for the responses! Ok cool, basically just a low res film out. Gotcha. I'm going to speak to Cinelab London and see what kind of emulations they can print to. I'll report back. I think they only record to 35mm on the Arrilaser and 50D 200t and 250D are the three color stocks that can be use on the Arrilaser with the negative kit.
Peter Hadfield Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 I found this option "digital - film - digital" at Cinelab London. https://www.cinelab.co.uk/digital-film-digital They do 35mm, 16mm, and 8mm on either print stocks or negative stocks. Not sure if they're using ArriLaser or what the price is, but I'm going to give them a shout and get some tests done. They've got some good reference videos through that link. I'll post my findings 🙂
John Salim Posted April 10 Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Peter Hadfield said: I found this option "digital - film - digital" at Cinelab London. https://www.cinelab.co.uk/digital-film-digital They do 35mm, 16mm, and 8mm on either print stocks or negative stocks. Not sure if they're using ArriLaser or what the price is, but I'm going to give them a shout and get some tests done. They've got some good reference videos through that link. I'll post my findings 🙂 I believe they output everything to 35mm stock only Peter ( ... just the image's actual 'patch' size is recorded ) John S
Peter Hadfield Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 Ah, i see. So they 'crop' the 35mm frames so to speak.
John Salim Posted April 10 Posted April 10 Yes, they print the format's actual image size down onto 35mm. That way the grain is the same as what the original format would be. John S
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted April 10 Site Sponsor Posted April 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, John Salim said: I believe they output everything to 35mm stock only Peter ( ... just the image's actual 'patch' size is recorded ) John S Yes the record everything on an Arrilaser which can only record to 35mm film stock. In setup they make different "patch" sizes for 8mm 16mm and 35mm but they are not recording to 16mm which can then be printed with a soundtrack for example. Edited April 10 by Robert Houllahan
Ludwig Hagelstein Posted April 11 Posted April 11 Andec in Berlin can do digital to either real 16mm neg and print, or even Super8.
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