Owen A. Davies Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 I realize that many experienced cinematographers may view this is a somewhat redundant or pointless question (though in my view this forum is best for getting great answers to these kinds of questions), but what would you say the visual, technical, financial, and practical differences would be between shooting something anamorphic on 16mm as opposed to on Techniscope. The difference in frame size would be (17.976mm x 7.49mm) vs (22mm x 9.166mm), and I'm also wondering how much or how little such a change in negative area would affect the image. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefta Varwijk Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Joel W Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Also following. You can do the math for film cost pretty easily by comparing film stock prices and using a footage calculator for 2 perf vs 16mm: https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/film-calculator But that excludes the cost of rental. 2 perf packages and S16 anamorphic lenses alike are scarce. I feel like with modern lenses 2 perf would have a significant advantage in resolution. But the trend with 2 perf seems to be more toward shooting older lenses to get more character, which would narrow the gap. The only S16 anamorphic lenses that are viable imo are the Hawks and Panavision, which are around 1.33X stretch. Neither is an inexpensive rental but you could get a quote and compare it with a 2 perf package. I had almost put together a working solution with a 16mm MK1 standard speed and an old Iscorama. But it seems like such an involved endeavor you'd want to avoid DIY. It got to the point where I was looking into filter thread converters from 0.5mm to 0.75mm threads or something and was just like: why am I trying to solve this problem? That said? It could work.... Edited December 6, 2022 by M Joel W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted December 6, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted December 6, 2022 Surprisingly enough, 2 perf 35mm does have a lot more real estate. Remember, just because you can squeeze a wide screen image onto 16mm, doesn't mean the negative is that large. You're still dealing with larger grain structure, less resolution, less stability and not as much depth of field. Anamorphic lenses also have their issues, many of them, including distortion, softness and speed. Spherical lenses are faster and crisper, so a 2 perf image will be much crisper. The other thing of course is that, when you're using a studio camera like an Arricam to shoot 2 perf, you also have much more stable image, with less grain, more resolution and in the end it's much easier to get shallow depth of field. Where I'm not a fan of 2 perf, there is really no comparison. The finished image is still nearly 3x larger than the Super 16 anamorphic version. You can see that on screen. There are inexpensive 1.5X anamorphic lenses these days as well, for sure a possible use for S16, close enough, just slow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon O'Brien Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Obviously you would need to test to see how the 16mm anamorphic looks on a big screen but I've heard it said that 16mm anamorphic can look a bit soft unless the absolutely sharpest and best lenses are used such as the Hawks. 2-perf seems a more practical choice to me. The other possibility is Super 16 spherical, cropped top and bottom if you want a wider aspect ratio. That comes out looking pretty good on a big screen though not super sharp. It's grainy but some people like that look. I think if I was shooting a picture on 16mm I'd be inclined to avoid anamorphic unless I had the use of the best possible lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted December 7, 2022 Site Sponsor Share Posted December 7, 2022 We just ran a Music Vid shot on an SR3 HS with Hawks and it looks great but I know the glass was expensive to book. 2-Perf will as others have said look finer grained and will overall be easier to source camera and lens kit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Jin Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I'd say go with 2 perf and use the mini hawks for the anamorphic bokeh but spherical sharpness and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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