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Thanks again! I think I am abandoning this plan for now. I found a PL Mutar for $100 but it had just sold. 😞 I think I need to focus on more important/better things and will be abandoning this project for now. Really appreciate the help.

Thanks so much, that's very very generous of you to check and very informative. I suppose rotating in the mount would be a big problem for a zoom lens? If I wanted to zoom during a shot, I imagine this would wreak havoc? I think the cost of mount conversion to ARRI Bayonet would be high, too. Maybe I should just return the Mutar and sell the zoom and give up on this endeavor, cool as I think it would be to reconstruct a Kubrick 24-480mm.... Do you think the lens would spin too much to make it useful as a zoom? Thanks again.

Is it possible the 12-240mm you were using was converted to ARRI Bayonet?

Thanks, Dom. Yeah I am starting to think it is the black tab not recessing sufficiently after all, or not engaging with the button properly. That would make up for the difference in clearance exactly, and I cannot focus close to infinity with this set up as-is. Ah well. Mutar seems so cool... Perhaps this is a fool's errand. Did you find the 12-240mm with mutar to cover S35mm (16:9 crop) btw? I remember Kubrick used it (apparently) on Barry Lyndon but I think it was academy 35....

Sorry to keep bothering. But how deep is the lens supposed to sit? Maybe it does fit, but it just doesn't lock? There's clearance between the lens and mutar but not a lot. Maybe the button is broken, not the black tab?

It's nearly unused so I doubt it's wear. Perhaps a lack of use. Do you remember the silver tab and black tab both retracting when you press the button? Currently only the silver tab retracts. When I push the black tab in when it's not extended (turning the ring extends it), it goes a bit deeper into the lens and I strongly suspect it's extending more than it should (unless I push it back) and is what's blocking the lens from mounting. But I'm pretty confused by this since my only Bayonet mount lens has a rear element too deep to even try mounting on the Mutar. And I can't find a tab for the Arri Standard mount lens to lock it... so that's confusing, too. Aren't some mounts missing that tab to allow the lens to spin freely? I lack the mechanical skills to take this thing apart. Might just return it, I guess.

That makes sense, thanks. I think you're right about the button being for standard mount and ring for bayonet. Surprisingly, I don't see a tab to fit inside the standard mount. My impression is it's still something to do with the black tab (part of the bayonet mount locking system) not retracting fully. It seems to poke out a bit even when closed and something doesn't allow the lens to go deep enough. That said, I would expect a tab for the standard mount and don't see one so maybe I am missing something.

Thanks, Dom. When I rotate the mount the black tab retracts but not fully–pictured above is about is as far as it retracts: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pbhkko86tkrgnk/IMG_0520.MOV?dl=0 I think the black tab is poking forward just a bit too far and the lenses won't mount. I wonder if I could shave the tab down a bit or something, but have no idea what happened. The mutar is otherwise like new. Or maybe I'm missing something. I tried pressing the button but it seems to actuate a different tab, whereas rotating the ring moves the black tab. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. Yes I do have lenses that have rear elements that are too deep, so I am not using those. But even my telephoto zooms and long primes won't fit so I suspect it's that black tab protruding just a bit too far. Wish I could figure this out.... this are hard to find.

I think the black metal tab might be protruding too far into the mount for some reason and blocking any lenses from mounting? Otherwise it is in just great shape. Is there an easy way to address this or would I better off returning the Mutar?

Well, the Arri Bayonet mount lens I have is a wide angle so the rear element will protrude too far so I don't want to try it. My zoom has a black (aluminum?) mount while most I see online appear to be silver (steel?).

Hi Dom, I'm new to old cameras so this might be a dumb question! But I have a 12-240mm Angenieux I want to use with a Mutar 2X (Bayonet mount for 10-100 t2), but I can't get them to fit together... nor can I get ANY Arri standard mount lenses to fit inside the Mutar 2X. I have one Bayonet mount lens but it's in a PL mount adapter atm so I haven't tried it out yet. How do I make this work?

There's one here but it's overseas. Haven't purchased from these guys before, but I think their reputation is good: https://www.cameramarket.eu/equipment.php?type=dicam_16mm

I think it's fair to say there was, or maybe it's the same one that started earlier and it just took a while to finish. Between around 2007 and 2010 there was the release of the Red One (which I felt was groundbreaking but unusably immature upon release–just my opinion), the Alexa (still the gold standard imo, imo truly groundbreaking), 5D Mark II (first affordable/prosumer large format digital video camera), and the Red MX (which I consider the first really usable, mature Red camera body). And then in 2012 digital overtook film in terms of percentage of major features acquired one way or the other. So I think the "bulk" of the revolution happened between 2007 and 2012. Earlier cameras like the F900 and F35 (which I quite like) for whatever reason didn't seem to have the same impact. Personally, I think it was happy accidents that had the largest impact–ProRes on the Alexa, which I believe was originally intended as a proxy format, and affordability with the 5D Mk II, originally intended almost exclusively for stills. Personally, I find earlier digital cinematography (Zodiac, Miami Vice, even Tim and Eric and Adult Swim stuff) more interesting for the risks taken. But I think the bulk of the "revolution" took place around 2010-2012. Related to the original question–do you think a combination of S16, slow film stocks (50D and 200T), Hawk 1.3 anamorphics, and 1/2 and full classic softs would be too "soft" of an acquisition format? Do classic softs feel different on S16 than they do on 35mm as regards strength at equivalent focal lengths for a given field of view? I imagine you need to shoot pretty wide open to avoid the pattern showing up in front of the lens... And in your experience, what are the effects of pulling those stocks a stop, I think I remember you shot a feature you rated at 100T on 5213? What was the intended effect? More saturation and less grain? I'd be shooting 7213 of course...

These aren't my type of films, but I worked with a DP who knew Brandon Trost who I think used to shoot them. If I remember correctly, he had a pretty great idea where he'd rate the camera at 3200 ISO so instead of adding a "grain pass" in post, the image would have natural noise just baked into it and the texture was already more like film. And then you also get two stops more highlight detail and thinner shadows, I imagine with the right LUT it looks more "filmic." I think they take the same approach on Atlanta, which always looked good to me. Personally, I think the Alexa already looks more like film than other digital cameras do. I'll sometimes shoot with 1/2 or 1 digital diffusion to get a smoother softer look on other cameras. Or older lenses work, too, I suppose. And, as mentioned above, it could just be the right LUT and good lighting.

Looks great. Hawk 1.3 anamorphic?