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Raj,

I don't think that calling greg arrogant is really the way to calm down this thread. He was making a clear statement that people would not be really kind to you on another message board. If anyone on this page can accused of arrogance, it is you. I understand the language barrier but it doesn't excuse your actions fully. You should stop talking this way and there wouldn't be such furvor over it.

 

Also, to be clear, nothing Gregg has said has been digitally "fundimentalist", the only person here that said a movie was bad because the format it was shot in was you.

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...my opinion on skyfall is one in a million.if people don't have something nice to say why cant they just ignore these topic... but I feel skyfall is a good movie but not a good bond movie.......

...arrogant people like gregg get to use bad language and talk about me.they are the ones inflaaming the issue.

.....

 

Raj,

Go back to your original post and take a lesson on having "something nice to say". Meaning it was actually a lesson of the opposite kind.

 

I already attempted to explain that my jokes were trying to deflect what might have been some serious negative responses to you on the forum. It was crude humor, but well within the bounds of acceptable behavoure on this forum. (thanks Gregg.....you're welcome Raj)

 

So Skyfall is now a "good movie" with "hideous" cinematography and so on. I'm really starting to take you seriously now. More humor, irony. And I am "arrogant". Maybe I'm like like Bond? Well, he does have six pack abs (good muscles on his tummy) and is quite compassionate for an assassin. But I think by now he would have exercised his licence to kill.

 

Good luck trying to understand humor in the English language.

(Edit) Or finding a sense of humor of any kind.

Edited by Gregg MacPherson

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....He was making a clear statement that people would not be really kind to you on another message board....

 

When I suggested Raj jump onto Deakins forum I was actually serious. This was provided that he was really sincere and respectfull. But if his reaction to the cinematography in skyfall doesn't go much deeper than finding it hideous then there is not much point. The fans there probably would just (insert joke).

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Gregg, what is with your obsession with riding Deakins' schtick? He isnt a god, for goodness sake. And going to fanboy sites is never helpful. Go to reduser and tell them about the real problems with their camera, hype methods, and lawsuits giving them a bad rep. See if anyone takes you seriously even with true criticism.

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Gregg, what is with your obsession with riding Deakins' schtick? .......

 

Riding what? Does this mean I can safely call you a nob? There is a Matthewising of reality going on here, where after a quick look you take up a reactive position. I say, defend only what's valuable. And make sure the thing you are reacting to is real.

 

Riding Deakins whatsit, thinking he's a god, etc and soforth: False, false and false. As I said before, I barely knew about Deakins or his work 'till I stumbled into that website. Imagine if you will (make an effort), me arriving there with no precepts or expectations whatsoever. Saw he shot a couple of films that I had really enjoyed (as film experiences). Interesting. Saw that a lot of the people there were devotees. From another position, people may call them "fanboys", but I had (still have) no position about that. I saw that he actually seemed reasonably humble and aunaffected, and gave a lot of practical tips to the other cinematographers. It's quite useful to hear descriptions of how something was lit after having just seen or recently seen it in the cinema (for example).

 

My guess is that one could gain something from reading a forum like that even if one disliked Deakins or his work. Or the Alexa or whatever was causing offence.

 

In conclusion, I have no real position on Deakins, the fan club, Skyfall or the Alexa. Please just register those facts.

 

Bad boy, go ride your own schtick.

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Gregg, I may seem a bit sharp but Im a nice guy most of the time. Just ask Adrian :D

 

You're a good bloke and you have some good ideas but I was a bit turned off by the whole "go to his site" response. Most of the old timers here remember doing that exact thing with the whole RED camera thing. Most actually were trying to help them resolve mistakes and improve which is a gold mine to an organization. It wasnt taken that way and all we got for our free feedback (that many companies dont get) is cussed at and clowned by fanboys and even sometimes forum mods who are supposed to be concerned with helping the camera.

 

Therefore, fanboy sites are useless in my book. Which is why I come here because there is no "user" behind the title. Cant imagine Deakins' site would be any more receptive to critique.

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Gregg, I may seem a bit sharp but Im a nice guy most of the time. Just ask Adrian :D

 

You're a good bloke and you have some good ideas but I was a bit turned off by the whole "go to his site" response. .....Therefore, fanboy sites are useless in my book.

 

Jolly good, so we're all OK then. Both good blokes and all that. But we've added more language that may be seriously misunderstood. The gap between the literal meaning and the intendedly humorous meaning is huge.

 

You can add the Red forum and the DVXUser forums to the list of things I honestly don't have a position or opinion on. Sometimes I have Googled research and found useful things there. Often only useful by inference, but inference is a powerful tool. The fact of the intensly partisan social behaviour that one sees, the fan boy thing, I never thought much about it. I never engaged it.

 

I have a principal that I highly regard (don't always follow)..

A good idea (or the thing that trigers it) can come from anywhere. So in terms relevant to you, even from that black and red den of iniquity, the Reduser forum. Sometimes a good idea is hidden, you have to look for it. Sometimes the looking is the external value, maybe just a trigger and the idea happens internally. .

 

Now to things that actually matter (to me). How do I get people to think about the layers of stuff that they "see" unconciously through their eyes. The way that this unconsciously ingested information is an integral part of how they form and exercise their finer values of conscious awareness. The relevance to all creativity...film vs digital etc. FIK (guess on that acronym but do not disclose the answer here)

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Roger Deakins won the best Cinematography at the LA Critics Awards on Sunday for Skyfall. Although i dont always take notice of critics , i think they have got it right this time.

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No i am not a troll! i certainly dont know what troll means....

 

James bond has always had good cinematrography especially the 90s brosnan bond films, Its just my opinion but I found sky fall nothing like a bond movie,casino royale and quantum of solace was still better in m opinion. arri alexa is a good camera and its meant for directors out there who know what they want,But I still think a big budget bond movie if it can have some scenes shot in film its not a bond movie...film is there for a reason and if

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Apologies for the late response, but I hope that was helpful, and gives you an understanding of why your post raises red flags. While I do agree with you that the 90's bond films look great, I've had the pleasure of viewing pretty much all of the bond films PRE Brosnan. Once again NOT A FANBOY OF MR. DEAKINS or FILM OR DIGITAL, but what he AND HIS TEAM have done for this series is pretty impressive. While the story is a social kick in the teeth and a bit heavy handed at times it's still a great movie. I am a camera tech and I work with various camera systems, and I have to admit Arri has done a great job with the Alexa series of cameras. How Mr. Deakins chooses to utilize the camera systems along with his lens choice (Master Primes and Optimo's, if I am not mistaken) is not only his choice, but the collaboration with the director on how best to SERVICE THE STORY. As far as

Mr deakins thinks he can change the world of cinematography then he is wrong

I have not read any thread or forum where this statement is implied or even has a decent leg to stand on! Granted Mr. Deakins, much like Mr. Mullen, Mr. Willis, Mr. Stararo, Mrs. Schriber, Mr. Richards Etc. (each respectfully) and plenty of other influencial Cinematographers, DP's, or DoP's whichever is the title of their choosing have NOT made any kind of FILM IS DOOMED posting or interview. While Mr. Deakins is very influential and there are a lot of cinematographers who respect him: His word is not gospel (He alone cannot change the industry). As Gordon Willis one said in an interview in reguards to digital aquisition (Please forgive my half -@$sed paraphrasing): "It's a tool, much like everything else. I'm a tool, the directors' a tool, the gaffer, and other Keys... Tools!!!! Matter of fact here is a link to a great resource that might help to kill two stones with one bird! (Just a quirk I have):http://www.theblackandblue.com/2012/12/10/roger-deakins-advice/

 

If there is any other way that I can help please let me know!!!

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Wow. The level of maturity here is shocking. I was hoping to read something enlightening. All's I read is a bunch of mudslinging from a bunch of fragile egos.

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Wow. The level of maturity here is shocking. I was hoping to read something enlightening. All's I read is a bunch of mudslinging from a bunch of fragile egos.

 

Hey guys ! (calling out like in the playground at school)....Fresh mud !

(and a fresh ego ?)

What kind of enlightenment did you expext to find under the title "syfall was bad movie" ?

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To be mature about it, I will simply state that I felt Lincoln had better cinematography than skyfall. The lighting was gorgeous and the shots actually enhanced the movie. And at least Lincoln was a story worth telling (although I realize it isnt Deakins fault that Bond isnt as important as Lincoln.)

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Gregg, I may seem a bit sharp but Im a nice guy most of the time. Just ask Adrian :D

 

 

 

 

I'm coming up a lot these days. I must be getting important ;)

 

 

As for all of this-- I have to admit, I wasn't as impressed with Skyfall as I thought I shoudl've been. I can't put my finger on it either-- but it may have something to do with Daniel Craig...

But, that's nothing against Mr Deakins, though I will say I have been slightly less impressed with him as late, and probably much more to do with my own sensibilities changing. Like or hate the way it looks, I think we can all agree we'd give our right ______ (arm?.. I'm a lefty though... so no problem for me) to have worked with him on skyfall, or hell, worked on anything of that budgetary caliber.

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You shouldn't feel guilty for not loving the movie; I sure as hell don't and I absolutely hated it (with the exception of the Shanghai sequence, which succeeds almost entirely DUE to Mr. Deakins.) Certainly Craig is in large part responsible for the tone, but even more for the shift in focus on character -- one that actually puts Bond seriously out of character. But it's a group effort, there's a lot of blame to go round -- too bad nobody notices that this has got more plotholes and idiot character moves than CASINO ROYALE (which is actually saying a lot.)

 

But these movies are apparently immune to criticism because they are Bond movies ... which is odd, because they are celebrated because they are so serious and believable (ahem) ... yet serious movies should not be immune to criticism ... I'm just happy I've got the Dalton movies and the Connerys to rewatch and the original novels to reread. BondReboot is moving further afield, practically turning into AbramsTrek on its wrongheadedness.

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Alexander P needs to remember that this is a full name forum. He either puts his real last name or he can voice his dubious opinions elsewhere.

 

Matthew,

 

This is what I was talking about... You being like this.

 

'dubious' - oh for gawds sake you're so special.

 

For such a vacuous ballsack you have such a highfalutin personality - don't mistake peoples coping of your comments for actual interest. Just shut up. Or better yet... whatever - :P and as a little personal challenge try not to report this post, let someone else do your little cleaners job for you. I'll be banned, you'll be happy, so will I

 

Done.

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Wow, how did we go from you telling me that you are some kind of engineering major and attempting to help me with motor types to you essentially calling me retarded and a scrotum? I dont plan to report you but Im sure that if you continue this line of personal insults that you wont be long for any forum for long. Tim seems to tolerate more than most which is why Im probably still here. I would never deny someone their opinion but I dont recall ever equating someone with genitalia.

 

Here I thought I was intolerant. Wow...just wow.

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With the amount of reactive huff and puff posturing on your part I'm not surprised that someone "spat the dummy". If you read his post, he didn't call you retarded. He called you a "vacuous ballsack". I think he's just exasperated by repetitious exposure. That wasn't a sudden shift.

 

There has been almost no hope whatsoever of discussing Skyfall on this thread, but that was looking obvious from the get-go. It has however been an interesting ride exploring a small, odd niche in human nature. At least we kept some of the weird stuff in one place.

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Gregg, it wasnt needed for you to reiterate what he said. Under the rules of this forum, he should have been banned. Technically, you should have been as well by repeating it. And retarded was implied by calling me "special" as in the Special Olympics. I could care less as I feel sorry for those who cannot articulate their viewpoints without harassing others and resorting to name calling. It shows lack of character and simplemindedness.

 

The funny thing is that I dont even have an opinion on the movie but merely played devil's advocate because I hate fanboyism as well as suppression of minority viewpoints. But, to be honest, I just dont give a crap anymore.

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I think you are misreading him. When he says "oh for gawds sake you're so special" he is being sarcastic, suggesting that you think you are above others, while he disagrees. Your reading of it seems a bit of an odd stretch.

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Gregg, I have no tolerance for this. He made it clear what he thought of me by the scrotum comment. If he had directed this toward David or Tim, he would be a ghost on this site and there would be no justification from you or anyone. I know you arent my biggest fan but do not attempt to defend him carrying it to that level in this fora.

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Start by reading accurately. Try to get the real sense of what was written and why. If you feel completely undeserving of being tagged with that vulgar metaphor then I guess you can complain to the moderator(s). While you're there, explain to them the possible interpretations of "riding Deakins' schtick", in context. For me I thought that was a great laugh, but then I have a sense of humour, and it showed me that perhaps you had one too, at least when you're dishing it out. But on the face of it, unacceptably vulgar. Put that man on report! So calling out Chris seems a bit hypocritical.

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