RED is for real...I've seen it

[jan von krogh]

I am still holding off to see someone do some test on those. 35 lenses are common enough to rent that buying them right away doesn't matter.

 

yeah - we will stay with our lenses first, as they are faster / have better range.

 

however, the red lenses have cookes /i-technology, which is pretty neat for VFX & Motioncontrol, so i am interested.

[Stephen Williams]

yeah - we will stay with our lenses first, as they are faster / have better range.

 

however, the red lenses have cookes /i-technology, which is pretty neat for VFX & Motioncontrol, so i am interested.

 

Hi,

 

I don't know of many motion control systems that read i-tech. Normally the lens is characterized and the motion control works from that.

 

Stephen

[Mark Williams]

Hmmm... What are thousands of people queueing for at NAB if it wasn't for a short movie shot by Peter Jackson himself with two alpha prototypes of REDs? If this was a "joke", as you claim it is, why would all the specialised press fall for it? And why would Apple fall for that joke? And all those famous cinematographers and directors? Are you telling this is all part of a huge conspiracy to rip a few thousands people off? I think you forgot to take your medication :lol: :lol:

 

BTW, unless you live under a rock, you should know that clips have been available for more than 9 months! I have seen the first pictures shot with Red at last IBC, in sept 2006! Since then, several other clips have been available. Go check Red's webiste if you don't believe me... :)

Well yes I have been living under a rock perhaps a red one as for specialised? press you narrowed the field down to just a few then? My medication? The cracks are showing emmanuel.

 

Hello again, Mr. Williams.

 

- cue "x-files" theme -

its an alien camera, thats why they show it only near area 51 - didn´t you know?

- cue "x-files" theme -

I dont know where they show it but I will take your word? as seemingly this is the exact amount of proof neccesary. The red one is as you admit is part of a secretive black project in the nevada desert.

Edited April 19, 2007 by Mark Williams

[jan von krogh]

I don't know of many motion control systems that read i-tech.

sadly, i had no mc shots the recent 24 month and wasn´t aware that there are any - who supports cooke i?

 

Normally the lens is characterized and the motion control works from that.

yes, normally.

but with the data (which will be recorded into the redcode as it seems) 3d tracking for compositing, cgi inserts in MC shots now will be possible even when out of focus, zooming etc.

 

until now, setting up the lens characteristics was often a pain for 3d tracking - cookes i seems to be able to reduce the hassle quite a bit.

 

i didn´t test it out yet, however, in the actual podcast @fxblog there is a longer part in the middle of the stream where several possible new techniques are discussed.

 

http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html - its the podcast in the upper right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well yes I have been living under a rock perhaps a red one as for specialised?

Well, maybe it would be better for you nerves when you move back there?

however, for accusing red of being hoax, you are a little bit late - one year ago, posts like yours were common from 5 or 10 folks here, but that era ended 3 days ago.

 

as seemingly this is the exact amount of proof neccesary. The red one is as you admit is part of a secretive black project in the nevada desert.

indeed, indeed... the secretive project is called NAB 2007, in las vegas.... which happens to be located in nevada.

[Stephen Williams]

wasn´t aware that there are any - who supports cooke i?

yes, normally.

 

Hi,

 

I guess Arrimotion does, but that's not what I usually think of as motion control in any case.

 

Stephen

[Emmanuel Decarpentrie]

Well yes I have been living under a rock perhaps a red one as for specialised?

 

Come on! Please! I really can't believe you're seriously claiming Red is a hoax by now! You're much too late for that! But if you feel the urge to ridiculize yourself by being the last person on earth who claims he doesn't believe the Red exists, who am I to stop you? You sound a little bit delusional... You remind me of someone I know who still doesn't believe the CD and the DVD ("disks with digital music or digital video written upon them"? "no way: that's mathematically impossible") exists...

 

What do you think about David Mullen's report? Let me quote his report if you please:

 

For me, the RED camera was the highlight of NAB.

 

The Peter Jackson short film shot on the two RED prototypes was an amazing achievement.

 

I would describe the look as something like 5245 50D 35mm scanned at 4K -- sharp & clean.

 

all that matters to me is that I didn't see any compromise in image resolution compared to 35mm, unlike with HD where it visibly craps-out in extreme long shot on the big screen.

 

Sounds like the Red truly is a real camera, doesn't it? If not, don't worry, I won't bother you anymore :)

Edited April 19, 2007 by Emmanuel Decarpentrie

[Mark Williams]

sadly, i had no mc shots the recent 24 month and wasn´t aware that there are any - who supports cooke i?

yes, normally.

but with the data (which will be recorded into the redcode as it seems) 3d tracking for compositing, cgi inserts in MC shots now will be possible even when out of focus, zooming etc.

 

until now, setting up the lens characteristics was often a pain for 3d tracking - cookes i seems to be able to reduce the hassle quite a bit.

 

i didn´t test it out yet, however, in the actual podcast @fxblog there is a longer part in the middle of the stream where several possible new techniques are discussed.

 

http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html - its the podcast in the upper right.

Well, maybe it would be better for you nerves when you move back there?

however, for accusing red of being hoax, you are a little bit late - one year ago, posts like yours were common from 5 or 10 folks here, but that era ended 3 days ago.

indeed, indeed... the secretive project is called NAB 2007, in las vegas.... which happens to be located in nevada.

 

I admire your faith and belief in your area 51 camera however the fact that Nab may be held in the nevada desert does not make it or las vegas near area 51. which you seem to think the connection somehow Strengthens your case for reds existance.. Actually it weakens it. Red only exists as a promotional tool for a film and is a childish form of manipulation. AND if they send me a free camera I will back off.

[Carl Brighton]

What do you think about David Mullen's report? Let me quote his report if you please:

Sounds like the Red truly is a real camera, doesn't it? If not, don't worry, I won't bother you anymore :)

 

Bah! Evervbody knows David Mullen is just one of Jim Jannard's alter egos!

I mean, look at these pictures.

Two different people?

Don't count on it....

[Mark Williams]

Sounds like the Red truly is a real camera, doesn't it? If not, don't worry, I won't bother you anymore :)

OK so your not sure and you want me to convince you its real? OK Red is a real picture. Fraid thats as far as I can go at the moment but its a very nice picture it looks like a real 3d render?

[Emmanuel Decarpentrie]

OK so your not sure and you want me to convince you its real?

 

:rolleyes:

 

Zzzzzzzzzzz....

[Mark Williams]

:rolleyes:

 

Zzzzzzzzzzz....

I don't think thats funny. This forum my lifes ambition everything all toast. WHY because a simple camera is going to change everything. My beloved arriflex BL2 my lenses/lens. This camera will replace all and everything turning all my equipment into museum pieces.. However I can now make motion pictures on my limited budget of £10 can I have a free camera please?

[Brian Drysdale]

I don't think thats funny. This forum my lifes ambition everything all toast. WHY because a simple camera is going to change everything. My beloved arriflex BL2 my lenses/lens. This camera will replace all and everything turning all my equipment into museum pieces.. However I can now make motion pictures on my limited budget of £10 can I have a free camera please?

 

Your lenses should be OK on a RED. Your camera will be fine until Kodak and Fuji stop manufacturing film stock and it keeps running.

[Mark Williams]

Your lenses should be OK on a RED. Your camera will be fine until Kodak and Fuji stop manufacturing film stock and it keeps running.

Yeah but I still need my free camera? Ten quid doesnt buy a lot of film?

[Gunleik Groven]

I don't think thats funny. This forum my lifes ambition everything all toast. WHY because a simple camera is going to change everything.

 

You're fine.

Red obviously isn't changing anything for you, so why bother?

 

If you feel like making a 10£ movie, please go ahead. If you plan to shot it on 35mm, I'll throw in 5£ for half of the rights, if you arrange the screening -;)

 

For me, the point isn't really to make 10£ movies, though, but that's a bitt off topic anyway.

 

What makes me curious is why you insist it is vapourware at this stage?

And then again, I don't really care.

 

The offer for 50% of your 10£ "shot on 35mm" movie stands, though with one minor reservation. I'll need to see and approve of the storyline first.

 

Maybe ther's someone else around here willing to chop in the other 50%?

 

A good story beats anything, everywhere - as all us hired hand DOPs and post people know anyway.

 

Cheers!

 

Gunleik

[Mark Williams]

You're fine.

Red obviously isn't changing anything for you, so why bother?

 

If you feel like making a 10£ movie, please go ahead. If you plan to shot it on 35mm, I'll throw in 5£ for half of the rights, if you arrange the screening -;)

 

For me, the point isn't really to make 10£ movies, though, but that's a bitt off topic anyway.

 

What makes me curious is why you insist it is vapourware at this stage?

And then again, I don't really care.

 

The offer for 50% of your 10£ "shot on 35mm" movie stands, though with one minor reservation. I'll need to see and approve of the storyline first.

 

Maybe ther's someone else around here willing to chop in the other 50%?

 

A good story beats anything, everywhere - as all us hired hand DOPs and post people know anyway.

 

Cheers!

 

Gunleik

Thats extremely generous of you herr Gunliek regarding your 5K Offer although not as generous as it first seems and perhaps a little condascending could you settle for 10% of the rights? My finances although small are, well, earning high interest in the bank..

 

I think your entirely missing the point though which is with red set to change the way we make film then really I must have a red camera. NOW seeing as we both know red is an artists impression and I dont mean a snow version. Perhaps you can prove to me its real by sending me a free camera otherwise seriously guy whos ever gonna believe you? I mean cmon the naame itself gives it away. Its der spelt backwards..bET YOU DIDNTH THINK iD SPOT THAT ONE.

 

I think your last line sums it up best

 

"A good story beats anything, everywhere - as all us hired hand DOPs and post people know anyway."

[Gunleik Groven]

I think your last line sums it up best

 

"A good story beats anything, everywhere - as all us hired hand DOPs and post people know anyway."

 

Thanks -;)

 

That was 5£ (as in punds) not 5k, but anyhow.

 

I don't think Red neccesarily change how films are made.

If you want to see real images of the cam, they're all over the net after NAB, but you can see it over @ HDforindies.com. Those are not renders (if the whole interview with Ted Schillowitz or the whole Varicam-shot commersial for FCS over @ Apple aren't 3d renders - I didn't really consider that possibility... But if you suggest so...)

 

It's fun how all the naive guys from Cooke, (http://www.cookeoptics.com/) Apple (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red), Assimilate (http://www.assimilateinc.com/), FX-guide (http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html) - this last link has some marvelous renders in it -;), Red-reporting sites like this - with some more beautifull renders (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/eyes+on-the-red-camera-real-and-beautiful-but-4k-launch-support-in-question-252798.php) and the crew of Peter Jackson - have let themself into this magnitude of distorted reality when engaging in a non-existing camera.

 

I don't think film is dead or that it necessarily will be the Red One which eventually leads to the same thing we've seen in audio and stills production. I don't even care if it's really a 4k, 2k or 1080 4:4:4 camera - as long as it takes nice images with cine optics with a base price for the body @ 17.500.

 

When I - the confused - even get the idea that it shoots in a nicely compressed format - that looks kinda gorgeous and is kinda lossless , that makes me kinda happy.

 

I don't really care wether it holds up to 70 m.m. all that well, as I probably wouldn't shoot that anyway.

 

So I am happily confused and looking forward to the day my vapourware hits my doorstep.

 

It's just a tool among others, and a tool that seems to fit ME just right.

Apparently it doesn't suit you. So what?

 

Cheers!

Gunleik

[Mark Williams]

Thanks -;)

 

That was 5£ (as in punds) not 5k, but anyhow.

 

I don't think Red neccesarily change how films are made.

If you want to see real images of the cam, they're all over the net after NAB, but you can see it over @ HDforindies.com. Those are not renders (if the whole interview with Ted Schillowitz or the whole Varicam-shot commersial for FCS over @ Apple aren't 3d renders - I didn't really consider that possibility... But if you suggest so...)

 

It's fun how all the naive guys from Cooke, (http://www.cookeoptics.com/) Apple (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red), Assimilate (http://www.assimilateinc.com/), FX-guide (http://www.fxguide.com/article420.html) - this last link has some marvelous renders in it -;), Red-reporting sites like this - with some more beautifull renders (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/eyes+on-the-red-camera-real-and-beautiful-but-4k-launch-support-in-question-252798.php) and the crew of Peter Jackson - have let themself into this magnitude of distorted reality when engaging in a non-existing camera.

 

I don't think film is dead or that it necessarily will be the Red One which eventually leads to the same thing we've seen in audio and stills production. I don't even care if it's really a 4k, 2k or 1080 4:4:4 camera - as long as it takes nice images with cine optics with a base price for the body @ 17.500.

 

When I - the confused - even get the idea that it shoots in a nicely compressed format - that looks kinda gorgeous and is kinda lossless , that makes me kinda happy.

 

I don't really care wether it holds up to 70 m.m. all that well, as I probably wouldn't shoot that anyway.

 

So I am happily confused and looking forward to the day my vapourware hits my doorstep.

 

It's just a tool among others, and a tool that seems to fit ME just right.

Apparently it doesn't suit you. So what?

 

Cheers!

Gunleik

Well I dont mean to rain on your parade but the red one doesnt exist its an illusion a non starter an imaginary figment of a film promotion. In fact not one frame has been filmed with this camera because it hasnt been made. it does not compress images it is not lossless the two statements are themselves contradictory. It is in fact a myth a legend it has no basis in reality its whole purpose was and is to promote a film. However the joke is only a joke if people are laughing and people laugh in the moment. This moment has now passed its beyond a joke its no longer funny. The only funny thing is why the website is taking peoples credit card numbers now thats not REALLY funny at all. In fact we all dont mind helping promote films etc but do we really know what is now going beyond the pale?

 

oh by the way its a 4:4:4 camera and it can do this in any format.

[Michael Peploe]

Well I dont mean to rain on your parade but the red one doesnt exist its an illusion a non starter an imaginary figment of a film promotion. In fact not one frame has been filmed with this camera because it hasnt been made. it does not compress images it is not lossless the two statements are themselves contradictory. It is in fact a myth a legend it has no basis in reality its whole purpose was and is to promote a film. However the joke is only a joke if people are laughing and people laugh in the moment. This moment has now passed its beyond a joke its no longer funny. The only funny thing is why the website is taking peoples credit card numbers now thats not REALLY funny at all. In fact we all dont mind helping promote films etc but do we really know what is now going beyond the pale?

 

oh by the way its a 4:4:4 camera and it can do this in any format.

 

 

Maybe I'm missing something here Mark but are you seriousely suggesting that the camera REALLY does not exist and its just a marketing ploy for an upcoming film. I'm confused. Are you joking just for the sake of stirring the pot? I don't understand your motivation or your persistance. In a previous post you were shown a series of companies that are in league with RED and they're all in on a deciet?

You want footage to be shown when NAB is still going on? What other comany has released footage of an upcoming camera on their site. You seem to have lost any patiernce in this camera. And I think you do a disservice to this forum buy espousing this conspiracy theory. You sound scared I just don't know why.

[Simon Wakelin]

ROTFL

 

"if only you could see what I have seen with RED eyes..."