John Holland Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 That was makes it such a well lit film [ doesnt look lit ] unlike a Michael Bay film where it looks like every actor has a 18k hmi just behind her/him . Mr Lubezki was robbed of a Oscar last year ,shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Dubrovskiy Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Great film. Great cinematography. I was so happy to receive "Children of Men" trailer on 35mm for Christmas. Man, this is the best present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Regan Posted January 19, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2008 Loved children of men, it's what got me interested in Lubezki's work, so after seeing it I decided to check out Y tu Mama Tambien, which was also by Alfonso Cuaron. While each film is on very different ends on the subject matter spectrum, I think I actually enjoy the Lubezki's work in Tambien, better than CoM. The differences between the two seem best summarized in the long car shots each had. CoM was done by an incredibly advanced, technical system, which don't get me wrong I thought was genius and still worked very well for the story. One of the longest car shots in Tambien was shot from the side of the car, and at one point, as both the picture car and camera car had to pass another vehicle, the camera car actually drifts a was away from the picture car, to where you can't really distinguish the actors anymore. I really respect Cuaron and Lubezki for that kind of shot, since I think it takes a lot of guts to be willing to let your camera get so far away from the facial reactions of characters without any sort of coverage. So yeah, Lubezki's amazing. (Still have to see New world though, which this thread has reminded me I need to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Bryant Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Lol, keep in mind those are in-studio and sound stage shots! Do you expect "natural light" inside a closed building?? :) Well i can see its in a building, but for I didn't realize for night shots you need so much light. Again I'm sort of a newbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 (edited) I love Chivo's work but lighting may be relative. He is known to use a lot of lights so when he says he is using "natural light" and he is slimming down from what he usually does, perhaps he is still using more than what someone else might call "natural light". But not all scenes in one film are equal. Some can be shot without light to appear natural and others may need lighting to help it look natural. One rule can never really apply. It can be a goal. Nevertheless, his work is consistantly nothing less than spectacular. Best Tim Edited January 19, 2008 by timHealy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim Partridge Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Cuaron/Luebski seem to like Peter Hannan on second unit alot when they shoot in the UK. Twenty odd years ago Hannan was doing similar work in soft, low light (see Withnail and I) on movies and commercials. I get the impression that Peter Hannan could have been first choice (he did second unit) for HARRY POTTER 3 after Mr. Lubeski. It would also make sense given that Hannan has a career/stylistic taste as a features/commercials DP not disimilar to Michael Seresin's. Can anyone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holland Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Tim cant confirm but do agree with your ideas there ,maybe the producers didnt think he had a big enough [NAME] wrong but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim O'Connor Posted January 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2008 Loved children of men, it's what got me interested in Lubezki's work, so after seeing it I decided to check out Y tu Mama Tambien, which was also by Alfonso Cuaron. While each film is on very different ends on the subject matter spectrum, I think I actually enjoy the Lubezki's work in Tambien, better than CoM. The differences between the two seem best summarized in the long car shots each had. CoM was done by an incredibly advanced, technical system, which don't get me wrong I thought was genius and still worked very well for the story. One of the longest car shots in Tambien was shot from the side of the car, and at one point, as both the picture car and camera car had to pass another vehicle, the camera car actually drifts a was away from the picture car, to where you can't really distinguish the actors anymore. I really respect Cuaron and Lubezki for that kind of shot, since I think it takes a lot of guts to be willing to let your camera get so far away from the facial reactions of characters without any sort of coverage. So yeah, Lubezki's amazing. (Still have to see New world though, which this thread has reminded me I need to do) Yes, definitely high tech car system on Children of Men. If you haven't already, anybody who wants to see a really cool car rig that allows for 360 degree shots inside a car in Children of Men should check out the extras on the DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim O'Connor Posted January 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2008 Usually the "no artificial light" rule is not rock-solid. On The New World, Malick wanted only natural light, but they talked him into using lights on the interior scene in the castle in England, for example. To me, it's silly to get so swept up in the natural light thing that you cannot compromise at all. Exactly, I agree. The point may be to make everything look like natural light which is great but I've had a lot of conversations in lighting of 5 footcandles or so and yet to evoke that in a film I bet that I'll have to do something additional. If I shoot in that same light it indeed will be natural light but it won't look as natural on screen, not with present technology I would guess, as it does in person. Days of Heaven (dir. T. Malick) is gorgous and has a lot of natural light looking scenes but Nestor Almendros still had electric lamps in those "lanterns". Hmmm, this has given me an idea for a new thread, your favorite examples of uses of natural light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lowe Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Exactly, I agree. The point may be to make everything look like natural light which is great but I've had a lot of conversations in lighting of 5 footcandles or so and yet to evoke that in a film I bet that I'll have to do something additional. If I shoot in that same light it indeed will be natural light but it won't look as natural on screen, not with present technology I would guess, as it does in person. Days of Heaven (dir. T. Malick) is gorgous and has a lot of natural light looking scenes but Nestor Almendros still had electric lamps in those "lanterns". Hmmm, this has given me an idea for a new thread, your favorite examples of uses of natural light. Sounds like a good thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim O'Connor Posted January 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2008 Sounds like a good thread. Kind of like a t.v. series spin-off. Anyway, it's in "Lighting" http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/in...showtopic=28593 Maybe we'll all find some gems that we haven't seen if people chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Martins Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 COM was a great film. Finally a futuristic film that didn't go to silly land.....There were so many things that still related to today. That for me was the key in the content. Take it further but don't exaggerate. As for Chivo, he did some fantastic work!! Chose the right stock to work with practically no film lighting. I think it was essential for him to achieve that with some really good post work.... Loved the sparrow head work inside the car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) Yes, definitely high tech car system on Children of Men. If you haven't already, anybody who wants to see a really cool car rig that allows for 360 degree shots inside a car in Children of Men should check out the extras on the DVD. I think these guys provided the equipment for the 360: http://www.doggicam.com/ or something like that. I wasn't there so I personally can't be sure. Best Tim Edited January 24, 2008 by timHealy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Bryant Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) Ive seen that interview as well. They used light, they just kept it as natural as possible, and tried not to clutter the set with cables or grip equipment. I remeber I seen a picture somewhere of a giant light soarce hanging from a crane in the farm scenes at night. it may have been the asc article. And they tired to build the lighting into the sets, and alot of the time scenes are just lit with photofloods or worklights which you see on film. And he used a single film stock 500t 5229 which is a low contrast film stock which allowed him to shoot under extreame conditions. Just 500T, huh? And he would just use like a Wratten 85 for daylight situations? Edited January 24, 2008 by Neal Bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tim O'Connor Posted January 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2008 I think these guys provided the equipment for the 360: http://www.doggicam.com/ or something like that. I wasn't there so I personally can't be sure. Best Tim Yes, I remember doggiecam being mentioned. Some of their equipment was used although I'm not sure exactly what but I believe that the commentary noted that it was modified for this rig. Cool set-up and great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Munyua Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 In the above video,what is Emmanuel holding? SLR and video camera? ? Regards Igor He is holding a directors view finder. You can mount different lenses on it and walk around and decide what lens to use and which camera position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Allen Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 The realism is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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