Jim Keller Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 The primary job of the leading man (and, to a lesser extent, the leading lady) in mass-market entertainment is to put butts in the seats. Not to give a good performance. Not to be right for the role. To put butts in the seats. That's why Jim Carrey is worth $25 million. The studio will sell $25 million worth of tickets just to people who will see the movie because he's in it. Jackie Chan has this effect on me. I don't need to know anything more than "It's a Jackie Chan film" to be talked into going to see it. But, as I intimated in the first sentence, this is widely regarded as the role of the leading man. The leading lady is regarded as the one who wins over the reluctant male companions. That's why Angelina Jolie is only worth $10 million. On her own, she'll only sell $10 million worth of tickets, while Brad Pitt will sell $20 million worth of tickets. Conventional wisdom says that it's OK for a man to like a leading man, but if he's going to see a movie for the leading lady, his female companion will be jealous and veto the moviegoing experience; contrariwise, it's OK for a woman to like a leading man, because that means her male companion will see a movie he enjoys instead of a so-called "chick flick." Now, I don't buy the conventional wisdom. Because, frankly, if I'm on the fence about a movie, but I see it's got Sigourney Weaver in it, that's enough to put me over the edge and get my butt in the seat. And she's only worth $2 million in the eyes of Hollywood. I think there are plenty of women that are box-office draws on their own, not as second-fiddle to a leading man. So I have a lazyweb question for everyone, in three parts: Are there any actresses out there that you will go see a movie just to see her? If so, which of them are (and look) over 40? Of those, how many aren't white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted July 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 24, 2008 I will go to movies just because Scarlet Johanson, Dame Judy Dench, Rachel Weiss, or Natalie Portman are in them. Judy Dench is over 40 and looks it. I don't know about Rachel Weiss, I guess she's probably in her 30s now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Keller Posted July 24, 2008 Author Share Posted July 24, 2008 I will go to movies just because Scarlet Johanson, Dame Judy Dench, Rachel Weiss, or Natalie Portman are in them. Judy Dench is over 40 and looks it. I don't know about Rachel Weiss, I guess she's probably in her 30s now. I asked this question in a couple of other venues, and Judi Dench is coming up a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted July 24, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 24, 2008 I second Keith's sentiments especially about Scarlet. Also would have to add in there probably, Nicole Kidman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted July 25, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 25, 2008 I second Keith's sentiments especially about Scarlet. Also would have to add in there probably, Nicole Kidman. Who is this Keith you're talking about? He surely isn't me since my name doesn't have an "I." ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted July 25, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 25, 2008 Ahh my mistake. I blame the auto correct, though honestly I shouldn've used "Chris." My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Paul Bruening Posted July 25, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 25, 2008 Natalie Portman and Liv Tyler. I guess you now know my favorite line from Idiocracy, "Go away. I'm 'batin'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted July 25, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 25, 2008 Ahh my mistake. I blame the auto correct, though honestly I shouldn've used "Chris." My apologies. No problem. Everyone does it. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member George Ebersole Posted July 27, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 27, 2008 The primary job of the leading man (and, to a lesser extent, the leading lady) in mass-market entertainment is to put butts in the seats. Not to give a good performance. Not to be right for the role. To put butts in the seats. That's why Jim Carrey is worth $25 million. The studio will sell $25 million worth of tickets just to people who will see the movie because he's in it. Jackie Chan has this effect on me. I don't need to know anything more than "It's a Jackie Chan film" to be talked into going to see it. But, as I intimated in the first sentence, this is widely regarded as the role of the leading man. The leading lady is regarded as the one who wins over the reluctant male companions. That's why Angelina Jolie is only worth $10 million. On her own, she'll only sell $10 million worth of tickets, while Brad Pitt will sell $20 million worth of tickets. Conventional wisdom says that it's OK for a man to like a leading man, but if he's going to see a movie for the leading lady, his female companion will be jealous and veto the moviegoing experience; contrariwise, it's OK for a woman to like a leading man, because that means her male companion will see a movie he enjoys instead of a so-called "chick flick." Now, I don't buy the conventional wisdom. Because, frankly, if I'm on the fence about a movie, but I see it's got Sigourney Weaver in it, that's enough to put me over the edge and get my butt in the seat. And she's only worth $2 million in the eyes of Hollywood. I think there are plenty of women that are box-office draws on their own, not as second-fiddle to a leading man. So I have a lazyweb question for everyone, in three parts: Are there any actresses out there that you will go see a movie just to see her? If so, which of them are (and look) over 40? Of those, how many aren't white? For me it's always the company; i.e. Touchstone, Merchant Ivory and so forth. I never go because an actor or actress is staring. A well known and known-capable actor will help bolster the reputation of a film, but it isn't the deciding factor for me. If I know a company makes good films, then I'm more likely to buy a ticket or rent/buy their DVD. The closest I've ever come to letting a name urge me to see a film was Sean Connery when he was doing the Bond films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Auner aac Posted July 27, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 27, 2008 Used to be Rene Russo. Or Milla Jovovich. Not anymore because my gf is very jealous! Cheers, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Rodgar Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I must be weird because I don't go to movies based on leading actors/ actresses. I usually go to see them based on who is directing them, or the buzz around it. When I worked on a movie that starred John Travolta, it never ceased to amaze me how many rational women would go gaga at the very sight of him, they just had to get as close to him as possible, and they were really hard to keep off the set. One of them told me, "If a movie production starring Carmen Electra came to town, would you not go to see her?" My answer: "NO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Auner aac Posted July 27, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 27, 2008 One of them told me, "If a movie production starring Carmen Electra came to town, would you not go to see her?" My answer: "NO" Hehe I can really relate to that, example and general idea, but if asked the question of this thread my answer is the above. Not that that really ever affected my choice of films. It's just that I enjoy looking at some people more than others... ;) Cheers, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted July 28, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hehe I can really relate to that, example and general idea, but if asked the question of this thread my answer is the above. Not that that really ever affected my choice of films. It's just that I enjoy looking at some people more than others... ;) Cheers, Dave There are also people who tend to choose projects that I just like. For example, I can usually count on a movie with Johnny Depp to be a pretty entertaining one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member George Ebersole Posted July 28, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 28, 2008 I must be weird because I don't go to movies based on leading actors/ actresses. I usually go to see them based on who is directing them, or the buzz around it. When I worked on a movie that starred John Travolta, it never ceased to amaze me how many rational women would go gaga at the very sight of him, they just had to get as close to him as possible, and they were really hard to keep off the set. One of them told me, "If a movie production starring Carmen Electra came to town, would you not go to see her?" My answer: "NO" Heh, there isn't a single "hot" actress that lures me to the theatre. I guess that includes Carmen Electra. I like Nicole Kidman as a performer. I think she's a great actress, but I've never bought a ticket because she was in something. I can name actors and actresses that I think are exceptional, but I really go to see the film and not the people in it. When I went and saw Indy Jones 4 a few weeks ago, I saw a huge line in the theatre foyer. It was all women (well, 99% women... one or two males). I didn't think it was for Indy4. I mean, I can't imagine all these women wanting to see an aging Harrison Ford on the big screen... but maybe they did. It turns out they were all lined up for "Sex in the City". What's even more interesting is that all these women were dressed up like they were going out for a night of clubbing. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that movie wasn't billed because there was some hunk acting in it. It was about the women, not the guys. Anyway, I thought it was really weird. I guess Sarah Jessica Parker and Kim Catrell draw women into the movie houses. But not guys. Truth is, I kind of wanted to see it, just to see what all these women were going to see, but I held off. I'll rent it or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Paul Bruening Posted July 28, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted July 28, 2008 The psychological and sociological dynamic between stardom and a culture is really fascinating. Each of us could write a book on the subject and still come up with broadly differing observations and conclusions. Personally, it can include issues of trust. A well made movie can bring up some powerful thoughts and feelings. There are performers that I trust with these feelings and will easily choose to subjugate my psychological processes to for an hour or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Giambrone Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Funny take on this concept in Simone (sim-one). "I Am Pig" is worth the price of the rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lewis Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I'm surprised nobody mentioned Salma Hayek yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member George Ebersole Posted August 6, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted August 6, 2008 Call me crazy, but she doesn't "do it" for me. That verse Marilyn Monroe who was no only attractive but was also an excellent actress. You don't see that with a lot of actors these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Call me crazy, but she doesn't "do it" for me. That verse Marilyn Monroe who was no only attractive but was also an excellent actress. You don't see that with a lot of actors these days. She is beautiful, but yes, not much of an actress. Ruth Negga does it for me. Hope she gets better and more roles to see her in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lewis Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 She was nominated for best leading actress in '02, so that does speak some of her acting ability. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member George Ebersole Posted August 7, 2008 Premium Member Share Posted August 7, 2008 Don't get me wrong, I think Salma Hayek's a very capable actress. I guess I'm looking at actors of yesteryear through rose colored glasses. When I compare Monroe's performance in real life and on the screen, it strikes me as being more of a performance than the sale of emotion. When she wasn't doing her "blonde act" she was pretty normal, which to me struck me as showing how capable an actress she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayz Waraich Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 if we're talking acting, Cate Blanchett can get me to watch a film. Gwenyth paltrow used to be able to do that as well, back in the late nineties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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