Chris Burke Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 I read on Friday that the new 100D color reversal Super 8 is due out this spring. Can anyone confirm this? Wonder how it will telecine? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted December 27, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 27, 2004 I read on Friday that the new 100D color reversal Super 8 is due out this spring. Can anyone confirm this? Wonder how it will telecine? ;) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> \ It could be a real neat alternative (ahem, but NOT a replacement!) to Kodachrome 40. The extra two stops of sensitivity means it should work better than Kodachrome 40 in more contrasty locations and in more subdued lighting situations. I believe K-40 can look pretty much grain free with the proper transfer, I doubt this 100 will achieve this but probaby will look very acceptable. I'm assuming it will have finer less noticeable grain then even the lower ASA negative super-8 stocks that Pro-8mm sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cohen Phillips Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Who is putting out this new color reversal film? :blink: Just wondering as I havn't heard anything about it until just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted December 27, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 27, 2004 Who is putting out this new color reversal film? :blink: Just wondering as I havn't heard anything about it until just now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have NOT heard anything about this yet. It is already available in both 35mm and 16mm: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...PCN031304_Q.pdf Much would depend on how many labs are willing gear up to have an E-6 process for Super-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted December 27, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 27, 2004 I have NOT heard anything about this yet. It is already available in both 35mm and 16mm: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en...PCN031304_Q.pdf Much would depend on how many labs are willing gear up to have an E-6 process for Super-8. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think E-6 would be very popular because it is considered a "do it yourself" type of processing. (although I would always take mine to a lab). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cohen Phillips Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 zaefod, where did you read the news from? It would be great to have another Super8 stock choice! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Thats the word on the street, it will be by May.. I have about 400ft in 16mm ready too shoot. can't wait that long!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted December 29, 2004 Author Share Posted December 29, 2004 I heard it on some European website. I am trying to find out which one, but can't seem to remember. Either in NE or UK. It probably willl come out in Europe first as did the 7274, 7217 and 7218. In any case, I welcome the 100D, I will put it to great use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted December 29, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 29, 2004 I heard it on some European website. I am trying to find out which one, but can't seem to remember. Either in NE or UK. It probably willl come out in Europe first as did the 7274, 7217 and 7218. In any case, I welcome the 100D, I will put it to great use. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I work for Kodak, and have NOT heard any announcement yet. Only that Kodak is exploring the possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I heard it at shooting 8mm. the info came out of Kodak Europe apparently. whatever the case, I hope they decide to do it.. seems to be well anticipated. Folks seem pretty hungry for a new color reversal. I'd be happy to feed my S-8 cameras some 100D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 This should be obvious, but... If you hear something on some website, and you hear just the opposite from John Plytak, guess which info is correct? Personally, if I'm gonna hassle with the limitations of reversal in Super 8, I'm gonna want to shoot Kodachrome 40. Any other stock in S8 (especially reversal) is going to be much too grainy for my tastes. Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8 Booster Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 You may want to check this out. It is from a reliable source. We have seen recently that Kodak Officials do not know what is going on within Kodak - that is with both the Vision 2 500T & Vision 2 200T for Super8 which apparently was released in Europe before Kodak Officials in USA even "knew" it existed - for some reason. Ektachrome 100D set to arrive in Super8...... I read today, in the weekly newsletter from the Widescreen Centre: JAKES PROGRESSSays Jake: ?Apropos of my recent piece about Kodak 7240 VNF film stock. Processing of this film will continue right up to the end of March 2005, so it would be advisable to shoot any stocks that you have in hand prior to that date. Kodak are replacing this with, for the first time ever, a daylight balanced Super-8 stock with a rating of 100 ISO/ASA which I predict will prove extremely popular. Jake? Jake Astbury So it sounds as though the new E6 process Ektachrome 100D is on its way to us in super8 cartridges - I can't think of any other stock that fits this description. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/16mm/pro...1.4.5.6.4&lc=en Sounds interesting. Matt R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted December 30, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 30, 2004 We have seen recently that Kodak Officials do not know what is going on within Kodak - that is with both the Vision 2 500T & Vision 2 200T for Super8 which apparently was released in Europe before Kodak Officials in USA even "knew" it existed - for some reason. As I wrote before, I know the business case for providing E-6 films in Super-8 is being evaluated, but that decision has NOT been made. As I noted, much depends on the willingness of labs to gear-up for E-6 in cine processors, which is not always a "drop in" for old VNF-1 machines. Product changes are not "OFFICIAL" until they're posted here on the Kodak website: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newslett...=0.1.4.17&lc=en Until it is posted on the Kodak website, at best you can treat it as a rumor, at worst it is untrue and misleading. <_< I may not know every trade test that is underway somewhere in the world, but I DO know when a new product is announced. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8 Booster Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Still the new 500 & 200 were out in Europe before anyone at Kodak USA could confirm it even existed - which is correct and true and to my memory your info or comments on this was not avail before long after it was avaiable in Europe and that was well before it was released in USA. The same European sources who reported about the new 200 & 500 and showed up to be 100% relieable except for some delay in the release date now reports about the 100D. Anyway, I agree that you should be the first to know - maybe you should do some research of your own - it may be in the pre-progress evaluation somewhere within the Kodak group. Someone within Kodak have to know something about it. Otherwise this info would not have surfaced. Rumor or not. The 100D is no big deal to me personally as the K40 is the best S8 filmstock deal it is possible to get here in Europe with the processing paid / logistics included. What is a loss to me though is the discontuage of the VNF 7240. But I understand that Kodak have their resons to end it and unfortunately the 100D is not valid as a replacement for it. Anyway, I suggest you to do some 100D research within your group and possibly contact Kodak UK which most likly is the source of this "rumour". If it after all is only a rumor it is better to stop it asap. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted December 30, 2004 Premium Member Share Posted December 30, 2004 What is a loss to me though is the discontuage of the VNF 7240. But I understand that Kodak have their resons to end it and unfortunately the 100D is not valid as a replacement for it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Ektachrome 100D is a significantly better film stock than 7240! Finally you have something in the same quality league as K40 in color reversal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 The VNF films are old old film technology. anything new would be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Downes Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Well John, look at it this way: Your customers are all drooling over a rumor of the possibility of the film stock. Even if the product is just in the evaluation stage, there is clearly a demand forming for it. I know that I will be one of the first to order some the day it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pacini Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Well John, look at it this way: Your customers are all drooling over a rumor of the possibility of the film stock. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kodak isn't interested in drooling. They're interested in people spending money. Honestly, I can't imagine that the user base for S8 is enough to cause a giantic company like Kodak to do something they wouldn't otherwise think is good business. All Super 8 shooters should be thankful with whatever stock Kodak gives us, without any hints of whining, or suggesting some sort of conspiracy of silence. After all, they have a monopoly on S8 film stock! Don't bite the hand that feeds you! Matt Pacini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8 Booster Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) After all, they have a monopoly on S8 film stock! Matt Pacini <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly, so there is no need for secretcy on these issues because the filmstocks themselves has been known for a long time. But Ektachrome 100D is a significantly better film stock than 7240! Finally you have something in the same quality league as K40 in color reversal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The VNF films are old old film technology. anything new would be an improvement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Done right the VNF 7240 was a fabolous stock an had the right characteristics being a tungsten balanced film. Allthough the 100D film surely is a nice stock it will be somewhat awkward for S8 use as the K40 surely works fine in daylight while there are no high speed "T" reversals available for tungsten jobs anymore. That is a real problem not solved by the 100D. Example on VNF7240 S8 performance: Modified frame: Click the image to see a full rez image. R Edited December 31, 2004 by S8 Booster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8 Booster Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 More from: http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/neu/news.php Not excactly "Rumours". Herr Draser, Inhaber von Andec Filmtechnik, Berlin (www.andecfilm.de), DEM Kopierwerk für alle Laborleistungen rund um den Schmalfilm teilt mit:"Das neue Umkehrmaterial in S8 und 16 mm wird erst ca. Mai/Juni 2005 auf den Markt kommen. Dies ist eine relativ bestätigte Aussage. Wir werden die VNF - Entwicklung demnach wahrscheinlich erst Richtung Ende März 2005 stillegen." Die bisherige Situation legte ein Ende der Ektachrome-Entwicklung bei Andec bereits zum Ende des Jahres 2004 nahe. Nun bleibt allen Ektachrome-Filmern noch ein wenig Luft, das gebunkerte Filmmaterial "in time" abzudrehen und zur Entwicklung nach Berlin einzusenden. Zum Thema "KODAK baut weiter um" und "neues Umkehrmaterial in S8 und 16 mm" lesen Sie bitte unseren Beitrag vom 05.05.2004 auf dieser Seite. Quasi translation from Altavisa: In English:Mr. Draser, Inhaber von Andec film technology, Berlin (www.andecfilm.de), the kopierwerk for all laboratory achievements around the narrow film divides approximately with: "The new reversal material in S8 and 16 mm becomes only approx. May/June 2005 on the market come. This is a relatively confirmed statement. We will the VNF - development therefore probably only direction at the end of March 2005 end." The past situation already suggested an end of the Ektachrome development with Andec for the end of the yearly 2004. Now, remains for all Ektachrome Filmern still little air, which time" loaded hoppers filmmaterial "in; to turn off and for development to Berlin send in. To the topic "KODAK builds further um" and "neues reversal material in S8 and 16 mm" read please our contribution of 05.05.2004 on this side. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8 Booster Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Don't bite the hand that feeds you! Matt Pacini <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You get this all wrong. In reality the question is: Who feeds whom. Kodak never hesitates to shut down whaever they can not get predictable profits from. S8 Sound film for for starters. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeSelinsky Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I think E-6 Super 8 is the way to go, definitely. If the cost is competitive to the old VNF-1 Ekta it would really help the format. Kodak has already released a few S8 stocks that fall outside of the ISO rating of the cartridge system of most cameras, and it seems to be doing okay. I'd really be tempted to process my own E-6 Super 8 (given a decent spiral processing tank). The Besseler 4 step CS6 kit would actually work out well with it - developer, color developer, bleach-fix, and stabilizer. 1 50ft cart. of S8 = 2.5 rolls 35mm 36 exp. capacity wise. - G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Last Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Kodak never hesitates to shut down whaever they can not get predictable profits from.S8 Sound film for for starters. R <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought Kodak shut down S8 Sound Film not for the profits but for environmental issues? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 If Kodak is dependant on Labs to take on E-6 processing for a new line of E-6 films.. I'd think someone would jump on the opportunity. what does new eqipment cost?? good small business opportunity ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted January 1, 2005 Premium Member Share Posted January 1, 2005 Just a note that I posted a comment and question to this topic several hours ago and it is gone. bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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