David Calson Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjay Sami Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else? Thanks. What is the operator doing? Is he a steadicam operator? If so it may be a windbreak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Chris Keth Posted March 28, 2010 Premium Member Share Posted March 28, 2010 What is the operator doing? Is he a steadicam operator? If so it may be a windbreak. Or cutting light from the steadicam monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kar Wai Ng Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Or preventing camera shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted March 28, 2010 Premium Member Share Posted March 28, 2010 Or justifying his paycheck ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Calson Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dang I forgot if it's handheld or steadicam, I'll see if I can sift through all the footage again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Rosenbloom Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Must be a windbreak for a steadi-cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Shoemaker Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I've been watching some behind the scenes stuff of some movies. And I see this alot, the grip will be just behind the operator, following him, with like a 4x4 solid or a double. Is this a courtesy flag for the operator, or negative frontal fill, something else? Thanks. Probably a flag to cut off light so the camera operator can see it more clearly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94et1Bb53mw&fmt=22 and go to 16:12 and I believe this is what he is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Lalonde Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I would say it's a windbreak but it also could be helping with an iris pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vogt Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Also could be to cut reflections if the subject or area of focus has black reflective surfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy M Lundborg Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I was also going to ask this question and pulled out the attached for clarification. I seem to see it most often with steadicam, although I'm not sure of its use beyond the possibilities suggested in this thread. Still is from August 2010 American Cinematographer article on Salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert duke Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 the double net serves as a wind block without acting as a negative fill. it assists the steadicam op in keeping control of the balance in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjay Sami Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I was also going to ask this question and pulled out the attached for clarification. I seem to see it most often with steadicam, although I'm not sure of its use beyond the possibilities suggested in this thread. Still is from August 2010 American Cinematographer article on Salt. The double net is used as a wind break for the steadicam. It is preferable to use net rather than a solid for 2 reasons. The first is that the grips can clearly see through the net what the operator is doing, so their coordination will be better. The second, and more important, is that the net diffuses the wind rather than blocking it. Blocking the wind with a solid, would create turbulence around and under the frame, which will create unpredictable wind action on the rig. This is the most important reason for using nets rather than solids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjay Sami Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 BTW, the steadicam operator on "Salt" is Scott Sakamoto, a truly phenomenal operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy M Lundborg Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 The double net is used as a wind break for the steadicam. It is preferable to use net rather than a solid for 2 reasons. The first is that the grips can clearly see through the net what the operator is doing, so their coordination will be better. The second, and more important, is that the net diffuses the wind rather than blocking it. Blocking the wind with a solid, would create turbulence around and under the frame, which will create unpredictable wind action on the rig. This is the most important reason for using nets rather than solids. Great explanation, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John David Miller Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Usually a 4x double net or solid is used to stop wind from effecting the camera during a stedicam shot. Smaller solid flags are used to keep unwanted light out of the lens to stop flaring. Many times a white poly bounce will be used to fill a subect on the move or a solid flag may produce negative fill to add contrast. There can be many reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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