Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted December 20, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: You realise the length of the film path was designed that way for the wetgate right? Or was did you think it was another terrible design fault? Yes, I was just saying it's a pain for home movie clients because the path was so long. You can't just "thread up" a roll of film, it's impossible 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: I keep a long length of leader on my 1200ft Elmo reels ready for the scanner. The leader is not an issue. It's a huge issue. Is anyone giving you 1200ft rolls of 8mm film? Who is doing the labor of going through every single 50ft roll of film and splicing them together? The leader is only 1/20th of the problem, but it IS one of the problems that kills the ability to just scan 8mm film, unlike 16mm which generally has lengthy leader already on it. We actually paper tape leader onto our super 8 runs if they don't have long enough leader, it actually works well. 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: the Pictor cannot scan as fast while using the wetgate due to the short film path, only about 1/3rd the speed. Although I have thought about adding a little arm bolted on the table with another roller on it to extend the film path to assist with drying. But are you actually wet gating 8mm film for every roll? 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: I’m charging more than others scanning home movies, and my customers are very happy with how they look. I hate the whole numbers game you constantly play making it sound you’re incredibly busy at top of your game, but I’ll participate- I’ve paid off my HDS in less than 12 months only scanning home movies, charging 60-80c per ft. Oh gosh, ours has been paid off for a while and we also took 1/2 of the profits to keep our lights on. We actually paid for nearly the entire scanner on a single job, all camera negative. No cleaning, no assembly nada. Just thread it up, run it off, do the next roll. No wet gate slowness, we ran the entire job at 10 - 12fps in 4k, it was amazing. We actually bought the scanner to do that job and it's an award winning documentary filmmakers new movie. Our 2nd job was another documentary feature, that covered the rest of our payment. So within a few months, we had the thing paid off charging around .30/ft for 4k super 16 scans. That's considered a "reasonable" rate here in Hollywood. Some people are under that actually. So the idea you can charge home movie people .80/ft just blows my mind away. I also don't even need to advertise, the scanner makes money from all the commercial stuff me and my friends shoot, which is a pretty regular stream. I'm not setup for consumers, only industry clients who like the smaller boutique house experience. 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: What archives are projecting old home movies? Statements like this make it sound like you’re too good for home movies, it’s bottomfeeder business. I again, do not do home movies. I did one small personal library of 50 x100ft rolls of 16mm Kodachrome, Ektachrome and B&W reversal. It was a total nightmare (though fun), the film was warped, it was scratched to shit, so it all needed wet gate running. Took way too much time and reality is, had I charged .80/ft, the client wouldn't have even bothered scanning. We got the job because it was a friend of a friend and he was going to throw it all away and we negotiated so at least it would be saved properly. The bulk of our archival work is actual libraries. Mostly prints of films that are long gone, were we scan picture and sound from 16mm prints. We run the film twice, once with wet gate and once for audio. But as I said above, most of our work is 16mm. 8mm home movies are a different business model. If it works for your, great! 9 hours ago, Andrew Wise said: I don’t know why I keep replying to these stupid comments, but I guess on this forum it’s who has the most contribution points hey It's funny you think our business and my comments are stupid. You don't even work in our business. Your clients are fine with a camcorder shooting the film being projected on a wall. They just want to see something. My clients are working on stuff seen on broadcast TV, theatrical, streaming platforms, etc. I've done half million dollar commercials on our system and we're doing a multi-million dollar feature right now. So we're not even on the same planet. My shit has to be perfect, or they won't come back. I don't NEED the business, but I like being involved in these jobs, where we shoot, process, scan and color the products, it's really good money for very little work. Edited December 20, 2022 by Tyler Purcell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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